LGR4GM Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 Let me ask a similar question: "Who WOULD YOU trade the 1st overall pick in this year's draft for ?" 1. McDavid 2. 3. Mcdavid. That's it Let's roll the dice on some magic beans.Dahlin is not magic beans. Just straight up magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 Most GMs in the league aren't in our position though Yeah, I'm trying to differentiate between like NHL 18 player value and what we would actually feasibly do. It's hard to completely separate the two in my mind. But I'd guess that there are definitely more players that have the raw value of Dahlin, but wouldn't make any sense at all for us to move him for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) Let me ask a similar question: "Who WOULD YOU trade the 1st overall pick in this year's draft for ?" 1. McDavid 2. Matthews ? 3. Great question: who I would trade if I was the Sabres isn’t the same as if I was another team. McDavid is the only clear yes for me. After that there are clearly a handful of players worth the deal, they just don’t necessarily fit age, or position or contract wise. The Sabres best assets are 19-24 and the player they acquire needs to fit that core. What they lack most is a high end defenceman. Karlsson, Hedman and Doughty are the best defencemen in the league. The first two are 27 and Doughty 28, which is about as old a player that I would consider trading for in this kind of deal. Given the fact that Doughty and Karlsson are looming UFAs, I think you have to count them out. Hedman though is on a good contract, so I would think hard about that. Seth Jones is another one; he’s like Hedman four years ago, but off the top of my head he’s the only younger D who can approach Dahlin’s ceiling. McKinnon and Matthews are young enough and talented enough that you’d have to look at that, then trading, them or Eichel or O’Reilly for a package that fills our biggest holes. Basically the issue is it’s hard to give up Dahlin’s upside in any deal because he fits our team need so perfectly and the only players you’d consider one for one are players who will not be dealt. Edited May 8, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 Great question: who I would trade if I was the Sabres isn’t the same as if I was another team. McDavid is the only clear yes for me. After that there are clearly a handful of players worth the deal, they just don’t necessarily fit age, or position or contract wise. The Sabres best assets are 19-24 and the player they acquire needs to fit that core. What they lack most is a high end defenceman. Karlsson, Hedman and Doughty are the best defencemen in the league. The first two are 27 and Doughty 28, which is about as old a player that I would consider trading for in this kind of deal. Given the fact that Doughty and Karlsson are looming UFAs, I think you have to count them out. Hedman though is on a good contract, so I would think hard about that. Seth Jones is another one; he’s like Hedman four years ago, but off the top of my head he’s the only younger D who can approach Dahlin’s ceiling. McKinnon and Matthews are young enough and talented enough that you’d have to look at that, then trading, them or Eichel or O’Reilly for a package that fills our biggest holes. Basically the issue is it’s hard to give up Dahlin’s upside in any deal because the only players you’d consider one for one are players who will not be dealt. Don't forget Provorov. The next 4 years will feature Jones and Provorov heavily as yesteryear's Subban/Weber/EK/DD in Norris discussions. Hopefully our guy joins them in short order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted May 8, 2018 Report Share Posted May 8, 2018 So on draft night Edmonton calls us up and offers McDavid straight up for #1, do you do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 So on draft night Edmonton calls us up and offers McDavid straight up for #1, do you do it? Take about .04 seconds to make the trade call to the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 So on draft night Edmonton calls us up and offers McDavid straight up for #1, do you do it? Hell yeah I would. In year 2 and 3, winning the Art Ross by almost 10% more than player number 2, 100 and 106 points? Best player in hockey for the next decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 (edited) No you don’t even trade for McDavid. He already on a max cap deal. You control Dahlin at cap friendly prices for the next 6 years. Franchise D are few and far between. Keep the kid. The last one of his caliber was Doughrty. However franchise centers are coming more frequently. Hughes is next. Jack, McDavid, Matthews, Barzal, McKinnon have all come out recently. I’d rather have the D. Edited May 9, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 I'm as optimistic and excited about this kid as anybody. But mcdavid? Come on. Trade in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 I'm as optimistic and excited about this kid as anybody. But mcdavid? Come on. Trade in a heartbeat. McDavid is great and where did his team finish? This is a salary cap league and a great D under cap control is worth more then a great center already at a max deal. Who is in the ice more? The best D can play upwards of 30 minutes. The top forwards? 22 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 McDavid is great and where did his team finish? This is a salary cap league and a great D under cap control is worth more then a great center already at a max deal. Who is in the ice more? The best D can play upwards of 30 minutes. The top forwards? 22 minutes. If Dahlin is great enough that you're confident "his team will finish" better, then that cap savings will last all of 3 seasons anyway. McDavid is by far the best hockey player in the world right now regardless of how stupid Chiarelli is, and no asset holds close to his value, and if you ever have the opportunity to trade one single asset for that asset and you don't do it, you should be fired and never be allowed to so much as hold pens for another NHL staff member for the rest of your life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 If Dahlin is great enough that you're confident "his team will finish" better, then that cap savings will last all of 3 seasons anyway. McDavid is by far the best hockey player in the world right now regardless of how stupid Chiarelli is, and no asset holds close to his value, and if you ever have the opportunity to trade one single asset for that asset and you don't do it, you should be fired and never be allowed to so much as hold pens for another NHL staff member for the rest of your life This is correct. However, I love GA's Dahlin love. Give me more! Right into my veins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 (edited) If Dahlin is great enough that you're confident "his team will finish" better, then that cap savings will last all of 3 seasons anyway. McDavid is by far the best hockey player in the world right now regardless of how stupid Chiarelli is, and no asset holds close to his value, and if you ever have the opportunity to trade one single asset for that asset and you don't do it, you should be fired and never be allowed to so much as hold pens for another NHL staff member for the rest of your life McDavid is the best but how do finish out your roster? Let’s say you trade Dahlin for McDavid. Ok now what? Trade ROR for a D? Who are you getting and for what price? How about the often injured Fowler? So what is a better lineup Jack, ROR, Casey with Risto and Dahlin Or McDavid, Jack, Casey with Risto and Fowler for $7 mill more? I’ll take what we have thanks Before you say ROR for Fowler isn’t realistic, don’t forget Hall for Larsson. Edited May 9, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 McDavid is the best but how do finish out your roster? Let’s say you trade Dahlin for McDavid. Ok now what? Trade ROR for a D? Who are you getting and for what price? How about the often injured Fowler? So what is a better lineup Jack, ROR, Casey with Risto and Dahlin Or McDavid, Jack, Casey with Risto and Fowler for $7 mill more? I’ll take what we have thanks Before you say ROR for Fowler isn’t realistic, don’t forget Hall for Larsson. You be a GM - you would be increasing the overall hockey and trade value on your team by swapping McDavid for Dahlin. You make it work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 No you don’t even trade for McDavid. He already on a max cap deal. You control Dahlin at cap friendly prices for the next 6 years. Franchise D are few and far between. Keep the kid. The last one of his caliber was Doughrty. However franchise centers are coming more frequently. Hughes is next. Jack, McDavid, Matthews, Barzal, McKinnon have all come out recently. I’d rather have the D. After his 3 years are up, Dahlin gonna get big money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 After his 3 years are up, Dahlin gonna get big money. Likely (and hopefully) true.. Does this impact JBot’s decision re: bridge or long term deal for Samson?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 After his 3 years are up, Dahlin gonna get big money. All I have to say is thank g-d people here don't manage the cap for us. Let me put this another way. How many franchise centers have we had? Perreault, Hawerchuk, LaFontaine, Turgeon,and now Eichel. How many Cup have we won? Zero. How many franchise D have we had of the Lidstrom, Doughty, Neidermeyer, Stevens, type? None. Maybe it's time to try something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 All I have to say is thank g-d people here don't manage the cap for us. Let me put this another way. How many franchise centers have we had? Perreault, Hawerchuk, LaFontaine, Turgeon,and now Eichel. How many Cup have we won? Zero. How many franchise D have we had of the Lidstrom, Doughty, Neidermeyer, Stevens, type? None. Maybe it's time to try something new. You would probably trade Eichel if you got McD. Also, you should realize that we're just having offseason fun. These are not things that would actually happen if we were general managers. Ain't nobody on this website a better hockey mind than anybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 All I have to say is thank g-d people here don't manage the cap for us. Let me put this another way. How many franchise centers have we had? Perreault, Hawerchuk, LaFontaine, Turgeon,and now Eichel. How many Cup have we won? Zero. How many franchise D have we had of the Lidstrom, Doughty, Neidermeyer, Stevens, type? None. Maybe it's time to try something new. Schoenfeld... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODO Hockey Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 I would say no god d_amn way ! Look, if we nurture Rasmus Dahlin carefuly and with a long term perspective im 100% sure this guy will become the best defensive player ever drafted from Europe in the history of NHL. Erik Karlsson is a massive piece for any team, but long term Dahlin is the better choice, he just is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 I would say no god d_amn way ! Look, if we nurture Rasmus Dahlin carefuly and with a long term perspective im 100% sure this guy will become the best defensive player ever drafted from Europe in the history of NHL. Erik Karlsson is a massive piece for any team, but long term Dahlin is the better choice, he just is. Have you watched Dahlin play live in person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODO Hockey Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 (edited) Have you watched Dahlin play live in person? I have. The kid litterly see hockey like no other defender ive ever watched. I watched Victor Hedman from 16 years old until he left for NHL, we are born here in the same town (Ornskoldsvik), ive not seen Rasmus as much as Victor obviously, but the answer is yes. Id say Rasmus has Victors size and the speed of Erik Karlsson, but id say Rasmus is even more skilled than Erik, the kid does these things you would think is impossible. Kids hockeysense is very much like Peter Forsberg (If you remember him), his talant is unbeliveble, its like he see the future 20 seconds, like he has 2 eyes built in his neck aswell. No one can tell the future, but id say most experts are right about Rasmus and i believe we will look back in the future and say "They were all right about Rasmus, this kid is a ###### god" :D Edited May 9, 2018 by MODO Hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 I have. The kid litterly see hockey like no other defender ive ever watched. I watched Victor Hedman from 16 years old until he left for NHL, we are born here in the same town (Ornskoldsvik), ive not seen Rasmus as much as Victor obviously, but the answer is yes. Id say Rasmus has Victors size and the speed of Erik Karlsson, but id say Rasmus is even more skilled than Erik, the kid does these things you would think is impossible. Kids hockeysense is very much like Peter Forsberg (If you remember him), his talant is unbeliveble, its like he see the future 20 seconds, like he has 2 eyes built in his neck aswell. No one can tell the future, but id say most experts are right about Rasmus and i believe we will look back in the future and say "They were all right about Rasmus, this kid is a ###### god" :D I’m going to need a minute:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 This has been a post on several other places I look. Karlsson is 28, has one more year on his contract and then will hit the 9.5-11.0 million dollar threshold. Erik Karlsson will not make this team a playoff team next year. In addition, it continues to cripple our financial floundering. Trading a controllable asset who has unlimited upside and shows more "tools" than Karlsson to me is a joke. There is ZERO guarantee that he'd even stick around (Karlsson). Unless they take Okposo, Bogosian, Moulson and Pominville and still return Karlsson, White, and other assets it makes no sense. This team is going to be outside of the playoffs next year again. Unless something drastically changes, or they hit on every single situation next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted May 9, 2018 Report Share Posted May 9, 2018 Schoenfeld... Eh..... almost. And the closest we ever got was with him and Perreault. Remember that even if you have all the right pieces, luck plays into it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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