LGR4GM Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Jack needs to stop going in stick first hoping and praying. Move your feet and work. You're in a league where everyone is talented so to quote the movie miracle "You don't have enough talent to win on talent alone." He keeps floating or gliding around. He needs to give more than 70% skating effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 It seems to me to be less about just moving his feet and more about being engaged physically at the right times. Elite offensive players tend to get comfortable with their raw talent allowing them to keep more separation from other players, using the stick and their positional awareness to do a lot of the work. But that doesn't matter when an opponent has decided he doesn't give a crap about how good you are. Which is what is happening to Jack right now. Which means he has to go against his instincts and accept that his skill alone isn't enough to do things like drive to the net with defenders hanging off of you, or take the puck away on the forecheck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Time to grow up for Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I heard $80 million was his not moving his feet contract price. If we wanted him to move his feet we should have paid him $90 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Time to grow up for Jack. Time to finally get coached at the NHL level. We lost two valuable years of development for Jack under Bylsma. It's foolish to think he was just going to be plug and play from college to the pros given the way he played the game in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I heard $80 million was his not moving his feet contract price. If we wanted him to move his feet we should have paid him $90 million. It's like, why do they even SELL the 8GB Jack Eichel model?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Housley needs to play that movie in the background or clips before every practice and every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Jones Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 In fairness to Jack, you also have to realize other teams know how to defend against him now. Kane is a very predictable player and the other side is nothing special so they key on Jack and shut him down. I think this is what they thought they could get from Reinhart on the 3rd line. They shut down Jack, ROR was supposed to shut down their big gun and then Reinhart dominates on the 3rd and wins the game for us, but he hasn't, and it's been a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Still 5 players away, minimum. Every time I see that lineup, I realize why this team is as bad as they are. I don't even know what to think of the defense but man, that offense is terrible. The whole clip.., Edited October 11, 2017 by North Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 In fairness to Jack, you also have to realize other teams know how to defend against him now. Kane is a very predictable player and the other side is nothing special so they key on Jack and shut him down. I think this is what they thought they could get from Reinhart on the 3rd line. They shut down Jack, ROR was supposed to shut down their big gun and then Reinhart dominates on the 3rd and wins the game for us, but he hasn't, and it's been a disaster. I think the disaster is the complete inability of any line to consistently control the puck during ES, PP, and PK play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Jones Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I'd agree with that. I talked in the preseason about us needing to find somebody who had chemistry with Jack. Puck possession give and go back and forth etc etc. There is no Jack plus whoever magic. Kane has talent, but he is just a trigger man, not a good passer or play maker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I think the disaster is the complete inability of any line to consistently control the puck during ES, PP, and PK play. You forgot about controlling the puck around the crease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Time to finally get coached at the NHL level. We lost two valuable years of development for Jack under Bylsma. It's foolish to think he was just going to be plug and play from college to the pros given the way he played the game in college. We see it differently. From where I am sitting, Jack refused to be coached previously. It is time to stop blaming Bylsma for Jack's issues. His issues are his. And they are continuing under a new coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I worry that you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 We see it differently. From where I am sitting, Jack refused to be coached previously. It is time to stop blaming Bylsma for Jack's issues. His issues are his. And they are continuing under a new coach. This is fair and although I'm still interested in siding with Jack against Bylsma, he's getting no such thing from me under Housley. I trust Phil way more than Dan to coach Jack, if Jack is coachable at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 The thread title reminds me that some 300-level leather lung at Jack's first scrimmage in the summer of 2015 yelled, MOVE YOUR FEET, EICHEL! THIS IS THE NHL! Granted, he looked sluggish, but IIRC he was operating on fumes after a whirlwind week. And... it was just a scrimmage. Alas, there was booing, at Eichel IIRC, when he failed to score in the shootout. It has to be a terrible place to play, despite the requisite praise of the fan base. Sure, I contribute to the negativity online, but I've never once booed at a Sabres game. I'd love to cheer more, but I'm a follower and not a leader, and no one else ever cheers. Sometimes I think each section needs a captain to whip the pot pies into shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Serious question: do you think any NHL arena, for a team that has made the playoffs twice in the last 10 years and zero times in the last 7 years, with zero series wins, is more supportive than the Sabres' crowd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7+6=13 Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) There's a lot that has to be figured out and that applies to our young star. I know we want him to just take over and overcome everything happening around him but it's going to take a little time. Heck we're switching lines after 3 games - so it's a bit of a reset that's going to take additional time. I feel like Jack and this team will look much different after a Month of playing and practicing together. I notice Jack being a bit more physical at times, not all the time, but I've seen him mixing it up down low. He's getting double teamed on the PP and making smart passes that's opened up the whole other side of the ice. We just haven't done much with it. Edited October 12, 2017 by 7+6=13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 When he engages physically he can dominate. He does it infrequently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 When he engages physically he can dominate. He does it infrequentlyIt is weird to see that Jack has a predominately finnesse playmaking style when he's a physical beast with a killer shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 It is weird to see that Jack has a predominately finnesse playmaking style when he's a physical beast with a killer shot. I kinda want to see him on a line with two players who can't shoot worth , just to see what he'd do. I think the finesse style comes from him trying to set other people up, when really he needs to be more selfish. He needs to drive to the slot and shoot. He almost always has the room to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 I agree. He's trying to be a set up man. He needs to battle and attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAud Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 In fairness to Jack, you also have to realize other teams know how to defend against him now. Kane is a very predictable player and the other side is nothing special so they key on Jack and shut him down. I think this is what they thought they could get from Reinhart on the 3rd line. They shut down Jack, ROR was supposed to shut down their big gun and then Reinhart dominates on the 3rd and wins the game for us, but he hasn't, and it's been a disaster. This post made me laugh out loud. Thank you for that. So by analogy, Crosby's success must be predicated on Bonino's success on the 3rd line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 The thread title reminds me that some 300-level leather lung at Jack's first scrimmage in the summer of 2015 yelled, MOVE YOUR FEET, EICHEL! THIS IS THE NHL! Granted, he looked sluggish, but IIRC he was operating on fumes after a whirlwind week. And... it was just a scrimmage. Alas, there was booing, at Eichel IIRC, when he failed to score in the shootout. It has to be a terrible place to play, despite the requisite praise of the fan base. Sure, I contribute to the negativity online, but I've never once booed at a Sabres game. I'd love to cheer more, but I'm a follower and not a leader, and no one else ever cheers. Sometimes I think each section needs a captain to whip the ###### pot pies into shape. We cheer the good and boo the bad. Kinda like a fan does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 We see it differently. From where I am sitting, Jack refused to be coached previously. It is time to stop blaming Bylsma for Jack's issues. His issues are his. And they are continuing under a new coach. I think both you and D4rk are right. I think Jack has a bit of a natural and difficult to coach arrogance about him, but I also think that could have been mediated by a different style of coaching his first two years as a pro. Instead, Bylsma exacerbated it. We cheer the good and boo the bad. Kinda like a fan does. Bad fans, maybe. :P ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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