GASabresIUFAN Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 I stumbled across this article about the Avs having failed to get Zadorov under contract so far. https://www.milehighhockey.com/2017/7/16/15974660/nikita-zadorov-sign-contract-colorado-avalanche The author implies that Nikita is actually a better player then Risto and Risto is horribly overpaid. A bad idea of how to compensation Zadarov would be to follow the Sabres by paying for what they wanted Ristolainen to turn into, rather than what he is, which is arguably not as good as Zadorov. Ristolainen received a $5.4M AAV for 6 years and he struggles to put up third pairing numbers. The argument that Ristolainen’s minutes are tougher than a third pairing defender, and that someone like Zadorov may have similar shot suppression in those minutes, but no matter how you slice it, Ristolainen is horrifically overpaid and is a cautionary tale. FYI: The formula that the author uses to determine Zadorov's value, has results for all 2017 FA's. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oLsyS63DJO58zSXEbUv2HFXhSFK5IyuN3lCOgfPjt6M/edit#gid=0 It predicts $3 mill for Baloo, $4 mill for Lehner. It also says we are underpaying Johnson 250K and overpaying Larsson 140K. It says we got a great deal on Pouliot (underpaying 300k) and Ullmark (underpaying 167K). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 This ought to get some entertaining reactionary posts. He's absolutely correct that Risto is being paid for what he should turn into, and not performance to date though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 This guy's opinions are to reality as Zadorov is to Risto and the Avs are to a competent hockey team. It's fine to look at advanced stats and see how Risto is caved in and raise your eyebrows, it's another thing to suggest that a scratched player from a team that had a worse season than the tanking Sabres could be better than a 40+ point defenseman that was the only one our team trusted to give top 5 minutes in the entire league. This ought to get some entertaining reactionary posts. He's absolutely correct that Risto is being paid for what he should turn into, and not performance to date though. I hope this was everything you wished for and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 I hope this was everything you wished for and more. It's getting warmer. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 The angst is strong with this guy. Is Risto overpaid? Probably. Should we be saying that Risto is objectively a bad hockey player and compare him disfavorably to Mark Psyk? Nah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 It's getting warmer. :P My caps lock is broken (as is my pinky) and that is the only reason you missed out on a Liger-like rant filled with expletives and name calling :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 My caps lock is broken (as is my pinky) and that is the only reason you missed out on a Liger-like rant filled with expletives and name calling :lol: Liger has become pleasantly pessimistic. But I am sure someone will step up. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 This guy's opinions are to reality as Zadorov is to Risto and the Avs are to a competent hockey team. It's fine to look at advanced stats and see how Risto is caved in and raise your eyebrows, it's another thing to suggest that a scratched player from a team that had a worse season than the tanking Sabres could be better than a 40+ point defenseman that was the only one our team trusted to give top 5 minutes in the entire league. I hope this was everything you wished for and more. Accurate. Too accurate to be a true rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 the Issue with zadarov is, he might get risto money in two years. If he puts in the work and gets better. He can get closer to Risto money in Russia, Its up to him what he wants but that O'Reilly trade really got bad for the avalanche if he bails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 My caps lock is broken (as is my pinky) and that is the only reason you missed out on a Liger-like rant filled with expletives and name calling :lol:Ah, my youth. I didn't read the article but lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 I stumbled across this article about the Avs having failed to get Zadorov under contract so far. https://www.milehighhockey.com/2017/7/16/15974660/nikita-zadorov-sign-contract-colorado-avalanche The author implies that Nikita is actually a better player then Risto and Risto is horribly overpaid. FYI: The formula that the author uses to determine Zadorov's value, has results for all 2017 FA's. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oLsyS63DJO58zSXEbUv2HFXhSFK5IyuN3lCOgfPjt6M/edit#gid=0 It predicts $3 mill for Baloo, $4 mill for Lehner. It also says we are underpaying Johnson 250K and overpaying Larsson 140K. It says we got a great deal on Pouliot (underpaying 300k) and Ullmark (underpaying 167K). As someone who was one of Zadorov's biggest cheerleaders when he was here, all I gotta say is: LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 This guy is an idiot. Zad's isn't going to be playing in the NHL soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Zadorov hasn't been a Sabre for two seasons, and Ristolainen is somewhat established minus a terrible CORSI. There is a huge difference in the player profile, leverage etc. Furthermore, he's not a Sabre anymore, so who gives a damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Zadorov hasn't been a Sabre for two seasons, and Ristolainen is somewhat established minus a terrible CORSI. There is a huge difference in the player profile, leverage etc. Furthermore, he's not a Sabre anymore, so who gives a damn. Avs fans with enormous axes to grind, mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 It's reported that one of the leading reasons Sakic wants a kingdom for Duchene is the fans and organization are still mad about the ROR trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 I wonder how many GMs would rather have Zadorov than Ristolainen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 I wonder how many GMs would rather have Zadorov than Ristolainen?Three? Sakic, Chiarelli, and Benning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 It also says we are underpaying Johnson 250K and overpaying Larsson 140K. It says we got a great deal on Pouliot (underpaying 300k) and Ullmark (underpaying 167K). These numbers a good for a laugh. I don't know if it goes into much detail, but they essentially say that they nailed this guys perceived value for each of these contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Three? Sakic, Chiarelli, and Benning Snow. Anyways, I can't figure out how Zadorov is "arguably better" than Ristolainen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Snow. Anyways, I can't figure out how Zadorov is "arguably better" than Ristolainen. Pretty sure arguments are all about who yells the loudest, so maybe that's why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Snow. Anyways, I can't figure out how Zadorov is "arguably better" than Ristolainen. I think you have to equate usage stats as similar to "On Tuesdays in months that have the letter A in them", which we have seen done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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