Weave Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 That team executive is probably Chevy from Winnipeg lol. Has there been a single whisper about Kane being a locker room problem here? I've heard far more about Sam/Jack than Kane Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 It's going to have to be a team with a strong leadership group. Chicago, Bos and Pitt come to mind. Maybe LA with Brown, Kopitar and Carter. I remember when Bobby Bonilla and Gary Sheffield came to the Braves with similar reputations. Smoltz, Chipper, Glavine and Maddux explained to them how things worked in the Braves clubhouse and both were actually excellent on and off the field here. Chicago, Boston, and Pitt cannot afford him. Brown had the C stripped from him, Carter has his own history of issues, and by all accounts Kopitar struggled heavily with becoming the Captain this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7+6=13 Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 I am just absolutely torn about how I feel about the Kane situation. In fact, I've changed my mind back and forth several times. I've read you guys debating stats back and forth (good information), contract stuff, Kane's value, Kane's game, etc. I'm leaning towards wanting to keep and extend him. It's not easy to find a player that puts the puck into the net - he's been a consistent scorer since entering he league - I love that he's just 25 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Why can't Chicago afford him? If we take Anisimov and they put Hossa on LTIR that clears 9.8 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Interestingly Pagnotta reported the Kings would be interested if his price dropped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Why can't Chicago afford him? If we take Anisimov and they put Hossa on LTIR that clears 9.8 million. They could do that. I really don't want Anisimov coming back though, at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Interestingly Pagnotta reported the Kings would be interested if his price dropped What is the price being asked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Interestingly Pagnotta reported the Kings would be interested if his price dropped What is the price being asked? Muzzin or Martinez would be my guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 What is the price being asked? No clue, he didn't mention one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 They could do that. I really don't want Anisimov coming back though, at all That's fair, but what about Anisimov and a couple of D prospects like Snuggerud (Dave's kid) and Chad Krys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 If Kane agreed to an extension Muzzin might be in play. This is per Bernstein from about a week ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 That's fair, but what about Anisimov and a couple of D prospects like Snuggerud (Dave's kid) and Chad Krys I just have no interest in him at all. He's got 4 years left at $4.5m, has nowhere to slot in on this team, and is 29. Also, how much of his production can be attributed to Kane? There just isn't anything good that comes out of trading for Anisimov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) No clue, he didn't mention one We're probably asking for Martinez and a prospect and they want to give us Forbort or Muzzin I bet. No link, just theorizing. These LA Kane rumors won't die I still think something will happen. Hard to trade him without an extension for an established d. Edited June 25, 2017 by Saratoga Sabres Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 I just have no interest in him at all. He's got 4 years left at $4.5m, has nowhere to slot in on this team, and is 29. Also, how much of his production can be attributed to Kane? There just isn't anything good that comes out of trading for Anisimov I don't mind his contract. It gives us time to let Nylander, Davidsson, and Middelstadt develop if we use him at LW. He also can serves at the 3rd line center. He has been a 40 pt guy on all 3 teams he has played for. Kane may have help a little, but mostly he used his size to create space for Panarin and Kane to work their magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Speaking of Panarin, is anyone else looking forward to seeing Tortorella chase him back to the KHL? What a horrible mismatch of player and coach. Almost as bad as Ruff/Nichushkin LOL. I thought Torts is now kinder and gentler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 So this is straight out of bogus land, but would it be crazy if Petersen came back as a part of the deal with Kane. LOL! (I am not being serious.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I think this is one of those "damn if you do and damn if you don't" things...if we trade kane we are losing a monster talent and replacing his goals (especially if Okoposo does not return this year) will be next to impossible on a team that is challenged to score far too often. Of course, if we don;t trade him we will just lose him next summer for absolutely nothing which is just as bad. I do think his value is also one of things whereby teams are concerned about that dreaded and well noted attitude. I must say it must be tough for GMJBotto to try and put a price on a kane trade. what is good? what is just depserate?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I think this is one of those "damn if you do and damn if you don't" things...if we trade kane we are losing a monster talent and replacing his goals (especially if Okoposo does not return this year) will be next to impossible on a team that is challenged to score far too often. Of course, if we don;t trade him we will just lose him next summer for absolutely nothing which is just as bad. I do think his value is also one of things whereby teams are concerned about that dreaded and well noted attitude. I must say it must be tough for GMJBotto to try and put a price on a kane trade. what is good? what is just depserate?... I will bet anything we can trade Kane and still score more goals than last year. , I'll have a McDavid avatar for a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I think if Kane's value is as low as certain reporters seem to think that we might be able to resign him for a more reasonable contract than we were thinking before. If we can lock him up for, say. 5.5 a year (small increase from where he is now, 5.25) are more people interested in signing him long term here? 6? Whats the cutoff point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I think if Kane's value is as low as certain reporters seem to think that we might be able to resign him for a more reasonable contract than we were thinking before. If we can lock him up for, say. 5.5 a year (small increase from where he is now, 5.25) are more people interested in signing him long term here? 6? Whats the cutoff point. Well, I think plenty of GMs are willing to trade for him OR to give him a fat contract, but the prospect of both is what's deflating his value. Anyway, for me, it's more about the term--if I can get him for $5.5x5 I'm pretty open to it. $5.5x7? No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Well, I think plenty of GMs are willing to trade for him OR to give him a fat contract, but the prospect of both is what's deflating his value. Anyway, for me, it's more about the term--if I can get him for $5.5x5 I'm pretty open to it. $5.5x7? No thanks. Even if we do, then what? He cannot play with RoR or Eichel. What're we gonna do, throw him on the 3rd? What happens when Mittlestadt and Nylander are ready? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Even if we do, then what? He cannot play with RoR or Eichel. What're we gonna do, throw him on the 3rd? What happens when Mittlestadt and Nylander are ready? I still disagree that he can't play with ROR or EIchel. Thats exactly where I want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Even if we do, then what? He cannot play with RoR or Eichel. What're we gonna do, throw him on the 3rd? What happens when Mittlestadt and Nylander are ready? If. Neither has proven they can play top 6 in the NHL. Kane has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 If. Neither has proven they can play top 6 in the NHL. Kane has. Also, if you somehow end up with too many top-6 forwards (unlikely, but hey, dare to dream), then you just trade one then as long as they're on a livable deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Even if we do, then what? He cannot play with RoR or Eichel. What're we gonna do, throw him on the 3rd? What happens when Mittlestadt and Nylander are ready? Wait, are you concerned we're going to have too much talent in the froward ranks? It'll work for a couple years, then as Mittelstadt and Nylander are coming off their ELCs, Kane will be expiring and Okposo will be trade bait to a cap floor team. But while on their ELCs, there's plenty of roster space in the top-9, unless you think every wing prospect we have right now is going to set the world on fire. XXX-ROR-Okposo XXX-Eichel-XXX Kane-Reinhart-XXX Baptiste/Bailey/Fasching are really the only three who have real top-9 potential. Doubt they all make it, but one probably will, with an outside shot at two. Fill the ranks with them for now, in addition to Girgs and/or some cheap UFA scorers, while Mittelstadt and Nylander develop. When one or both of those are ready, we'll know for sure about Girgs, the cheap UFAs will be gone, as will Moulson and Ennis. Plenty of roster space to go around so long as we don't add a long term winger on top of what's already here. I still disagree that he can't play with ROR or EIchel. Thats exactly where I want him. Heh, those are the last places in the world I want him. His defense is too poor to flank O'Reilly given the matchups he faces, and I continue to think there's not enough puck to go around for him and Eichel, and they both like going down that left wing spot, so not enough ice either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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