Swedesessed Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 There's no rule against feeling trapped and depressed no matter how "good" your situation is. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 But he wasn't trapped. He had the financial means to easily walk away. As another poster pointed out, he could've asked for his release, had his agent seek a trade, or just dissolve his contract and walk away. Perhaps he felt like he owed Buffalo to be better, and didn't want to give up. I know from experience one of the worst feelings in life is that you can do better, but every time you try it doesn't actually turn out any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 First bolded. Is it really everyone's job to save the world. If he's truly struggling, he is in no position to help others. Second. Really? You of all people I would think wouldn't have a problem with this. Free market economy, right? He found something marketable (emo angst) and is making money marketing that (while simultaneously working through some issues.) Good for him. Of course it's not his job to save the world, and of course he is free to market his angst, just as he's free to market photos of his dog's morning bowel movements. However, the rest of the world is also free to react negatively to his marketing efforts. My point was simply that if he is working through his issues, a less self-absorbed way of doing so -- and thus a way that would've incurred a more positive reaction -- would've been to have done so by helping other people. There are certainly many other methods he could've chosen that would also have been less annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 But he wasn't trapped. He had the financial means to easily walk away. As another poster pointed out, he could've asked for his release, had his agent seek a trade, or just dissolve his contract and walk away. It's just that easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Lol at anyone that has an emotional response to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) Lol at anyone that has an emotional response to this. Yeah man, empathy is *ridiculous*! :) Edited May 17, 2017 by MattPie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_Dudley Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 What's the deal with the self-referential posts in this thread? I'm very worried about the state of the space-time continuum. It finally happened Hockey Armageddon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calti Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Given a reasonable amt of ice time--as a regular player--I believe a fat 58 yr old bartender would have an 80 % chance of scoring a single goal in the NHL in one season.He'd have to be a tough old guy with old man strength .. There would have to be a deflection goal in there somewhere along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Given a reasonable amt of ice time--as a regular player--I believe a fat 58 yr old bartender would have an 80 % chance of scoring a single goal in the NHL in one season.He'd have to be a tough old guy with old man strength .. There would have to be a deflection goal in there somewhere along the way. There are (or at least used to be) several guys in the NHL that didn't score goals over the course of the season, guys like old-school stay at home D and 4th line enforcers. I won't say Mr. 58 wouldn't score, but guys that are only a few steps from top of the world aren't doing it, I don't have a lot of hope for him. I ran the numbers quickly; there are 11 guys that played 41 or more games this year that didn't score a goal. Buffalo-related names are Nicky D-Lo, Derek Grant, Justin Falk, and Zadorov. 9 of the 11 played more than 9 minutes/game, and 6 played more than 13 minutes/game. There are another 24 guys that scored one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Perhaps he felt like he owed Buffalo to be better, and didn't want to give up. I know from experience one of the worst feelings in life is that you can do better, but every time you try it doesn't actually turn out any better. No doubt. His "jail" could've been guilt. I think the is the Buffalo Inferiority Complex rearing its ugly head. In the end, I doubt his sense of "jail" had anything to do with the city or the franchise, but more to do with the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 (edited) No doubt. His "jail" could've been guilt. I think the is the Buffalo Inferiority Complex rearing its ugly head. In the end, I doubt his sense of "jail" had anything to do with the city or the franchise, but more to do with the situation. May subconsciously he knows he belongs in jail for the robbery he committed. Edited May 17, 2017 by Drunkard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 No doubt. His "jail" could've been guilt. I think the is the Buffalo Inferiority Complex rearing its ugly head. In the end, I doubt his sense of "jail" had anything to do with the city or the franchise, but more to do with the situation. It must be too long since I left Buffalo, the idea that it was Buffalo-specific didn't even occur to me. I took it entirely as being trapped in a jail of his own failure to meet expectations and issues dealing with that failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 It must be too long since I left Buffalo, the idea that it was Buffalo-specific didn't even occur to me. I took it entirely as being trapped in a jail of his own failure to meet expectations and issues dealing with that failure. That is how I took it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I took it as that + being aware of all the vitriol and hatred spewed at him via social media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 he should have been arrested for stealing the team's money. He sure did not earn a penny of his pay cheque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 poor body language. Exactly!! Not once did he look at all interested to be playing hockey for the Sabres. He looked like a guy playing for a big paycheck. Ryan Fitzpatrick got a huge contract from the Bills, and although he sucked, he gave 110% every Sunday. I can respect that. Ville looked to be going through the motions since day one in Buffalo. Was is mental? Who knows, but to call out the Sabres as the reason is just lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Exactly!! Not once did he look at all interested to be playing hockey for the Sabres. He looked like a guy playing for a big paycheck. Ryan Fitzpatrick got a huge contract from the Bills, and although he sucked, he gave 110% every Sunday. I can respect that. Ville looked to be going through the motions since day one in Buffalo. Was is mental? Who knows, but to call out the Sabres as the reason is just lame. I still don't read "It wasn't working with me and the team" as calling the team out. Also, the idea that a 6 year $27M contract ($4.5M/yr) was a big ticket item seems so quaint now. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Also, the idea that a 6 year $27M contract ($4.5M/yr) was a big ticket item seems so quaint now. :) Yeah, nowadays I wouldn't put skates on for less than 5M/yr., yet alone try to score. that! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 The man has no shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAud Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Or even better, put his nose to the grindstone, reinvent his game with effort and hard work and make his contract somewhat tolerable. Instead, he Lally gagged his way through years of whining, extremely questionable effort and poor body language. I like this comment...just focusing on the performance on the ice. Leino was clearly drifting, not working hard to get out of this slump. Contrast that with say, Matt Moulson. Now, MattyMo didn't entirely forget how to score but it got pretty bad. I think he doubled down on training and effort and at least made the most of what he's got left. He's still not great by any means, but he saved himself from being binned with the likes of Leino the Lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Leino should have gone to Gary Roberts. Sure worked for Hodgson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAud Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Leino should have gone to Gary Roberts. Sure worked for Hodgson. Yeah, but when is he going to generate some art to share with the world? Guy's a chronic underperformer even among the underperformers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Leino should have gone to Gary Roberts. Sure worked for Hodgson. Who is this Hodgson you speak of? I only know of a Cy Hgsn in the annals of Sabre lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeEich Posted May 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 I do love me a good rant - especially a pithy one. This is aces. Great sentiment. I think many here are suggesting it. Oh, for sure. The jabs are being taken. And some of them are pretty good ones. The clickbait headline, or whatever, "Ville makes hoodie that says his time in Buffalo was like jail" is misleading. When you read his little blurb on why he created that (awful) art, you get a much different vibe off it. I don't bear any ill will for Ville. We went around and around on this in another thread, after his feature on Beyond Blue and Gold. There was that part of the interview where he seemed to suggest that his mom would basically tear him away from his piano practice to go play hockey. You got the feeling that, while he was really effing good at hockey, he never really loved playing, and he came to feel pretty indifferently toward having a career in it (feelings that would become positive when things were going well (Philly) and negative when they were not (Buffalo)). I wouldn't say clickbait? I mean sure it's generated some discussing but the idea was to raise mental health awareness haha jk. While i do think mental health is an issue, like many here have said, put your nose to the grindstone and earn as much of that money as you can! Hurting? Pop a few percs and go sore some goals. Percs can solve anything haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Who is this Hodgson you speak of? I only know of a Cy Hgsn in the annals of Sabre lore. By far, my favorite thing that has happened on Sabrespace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts