inkman Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Discuss. Inside the Sabres: Poor drafts sunk the depth Link: http://buffalonews.com/2016/12/10/inside-sabres-poor-drafts-sunk-depth/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 We are nearing the point where Darcy's influence is fading. I can't begin to imagine how he made his decisions, but I'm glad he's no longer making them. Not so much a failure at drafting but a failure at an overall vision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 I blame Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Hearing that Marek Zagrapan is only 30 really rang home. There is a good 5 years of picks just gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 I blame Bush. I was going to post is this a blame Bush type thing? I mean, I can blame Darcy or Larry for everything but I l feel there is enough distance now to move on. This is GMTM's team and he gets the accolades or the blame going forward imo. Coach said 95 points this year right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Darcy got us Larsson, McCabe, and Risto though so it's not all bad. Darcy was still terrible, it must be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 I was going to post is this a blame Bush type thing? I mean, I can blame Darcy or Larry for everything but I l feel there is enough distance now to move on. This is GMTM's team and he gets the accolades or the blame going forward imo. That was my intent, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 It looks as if Darcy literally screwed up from 06 to 09 then had ok drafts from there. Zagrapan and Persson were his true screw ups, I'm not one to claim he should of known there were better players picked afterward, but 2 1st in a row that amounted to nothing..... that's downright sad. From there he seemed to hit one or two ok players and the rest were complete wastes. Ristolainen is the best guy he drafted since the 05-06 season, and he has little competition. Myers started great, Ennis started great but are injury happy and have sunk from their high points as rookies/2nd year guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 I saw that piece, but it struck me as a little lazy (although I didn't read until the end (ha!)). I didn't see an indication that Vogl ran the numbers of NHL games, points from the prospects, and then compared Regier's performance to other teams over that same period of time. Some big misses, for sure. But isn't that fairly normal? Or nah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 It's normal. Most teams miss here and there. He missed in what? 2 years. That can happen. The real issue is how bad Darcy got at drafting later round guys and his tendency to draft smaller forwards. I think we should than Kevin Devine for Risto and Probably McCabe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Darcy got us Larsson, McCabe, and Risto though so it's not all bad. Darcy was still terrible, it must be said. Even a blind monkey can find a nut, now and then. Even when Regier did right, it was for the wrong reasons. As I recall, one of his big motives in adding Risto to the team was Regier's desire to add a "Finn" to play with Leino. Thank goodness he added him - imagine how bad this team would be right now without him? Can't get much worse really - we're currently 28 out of 30 teams in the overall league standings. This is a gutter team that's somewhat watchable, as opposed to the outright trash of the previous 3 seasons. But it's still a gutter team. 3rd year of GMTM at the helm, along with the "franchise big dollar coach" I would expect quite a bit better than what we're seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Even a blind monkey can find a nut, now and then. Even when Regier did right, it was for the wrong reasons. As I recall, one of his big motives in adding Risto to the team was Regier's desire to add a "Finn" to play with Leino. Risto was picked because he's good at hockey. I don't buy giving Kevin Devine all the credit, either. Darcy was the GM, the Risto pick was his. Darcy was bad at drafting forwards. He was ineffective and sat on his hands for way too long. He waited too long to make trades, which likely means he overvalued his guys. We don't have to make up stuff that he was bad at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Even a blind monkey can find a nut, now and then. Even when Regier did right, it was for the wrong reasons. As I recall, one of his big motives in adding Risto to the team was Regier's desire to add a "Finn" to play with Leino. Thank goodness he added him - imagine how bad this team would be right now without him? Can't get much worse really - we're currently 28 out of 30 teams in the overall league standings. This is a gutter team that's somewhat watchable, as opposed to the outright trash of the previous 3 seasons. But it's still a gutter team. 3rd year of GMTM at the helm, along with the "franchise big dollar coach" I would expect quite a bit better than what we're seeing. Yep. Even a deaf squirrel can find a banana. :unsure: Is Bylsma considered a "franchise big dollar coach"? I think GMTM still would like to make a few more moves on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Darcy got us Larsson, McCabe, and Risto though so it's not all bad. Darcy was still terrible, it must be said. If GMTM's first 10 years look anything like Darcy's first 10, they will tear down the Pegulaville sign and put up a ZFGville sign. Darcy was a very, very good GM. Just like Lindy, though, his time ran out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Darcy was the Jason Pominville of GMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Yep. Even a deaf squirrel can find a banana. :unsure: Is Bylsma considered a "franchise big dollar coach"? LOL - well, I do say that with a degree of sarcasm. :lol: He is definitely expensive though - $3 million a year, which makes his salary higher than average (at least the known salaries). https://www.capfriendly.com/coaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 The memory of the DR years will haunt the fan base longer than the actual team. He made some boneheaded moves, but his hands were tied for a good part of the time. Just think of his 15 years here ... we had a cusp run, or two. We had a crook that bankrupted the team, we had OSP that was hailed as a hero for saving the team and then he was know as a skin flint. Black Sunday, or whatever. Some good trades and some good drafts along with the bad. And now we have Pegula and Murray after Nolan and Lafontaine ... Cha, cha cha ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 I saw that piece, but it struck me as a little lazy (although I didn't read until the end (ha!)). I didn't see an indication that Vogl ran the numbers of NHL games, points from the prospects, and then compared Regier's performance to other teams over that same period of time. Some big misses, for sure. But isn't that fairly normal? Or nah? Excellent point. Vogl points out the two or three studs we missed out on, but that's the point; two or three players in an entire 30 team draft. So other GMs are whiffing too. What you want to know is if there is one organization that consistently finds more of those players. If there isn't one, then Vogl's argument is moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Blaming Darcy is easy and only partially (although mostly) correct. GMTM also traded away much of the depth to acquire his star young vets. It was GMTM who traded away the young D Zadarov, Pysyk, and McNabb. Of Regier last 9 1st rd picks, GMTM has traded 5 (Myers, Zadorov, Armia, Grigorenko, and Pysyk (Regier also dumped his own pick of Kassian) plus high 2nd rd pick Compher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 If GMTM's first 10 years look anything like Darcy's first 10, they will tear down the Pegulaville sign and put up a ZFGville sign. Darcy was a very, very good GM. Just like Lindy, though, his time ran out. I wasn't going to say * very, very good*, but his successes are on par with John Butler and Bill Polian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 as in, "Close, but no cigar." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) as in, "Close, but no cigar."Yes, but to have teams like that again would be great as a fan. Making the playoffs is not easy and takes good people. Getting deep into the playoffs for several years takes very good people. Very, very good people win championships. Edited December 13, 2016 by Woods-Racer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Maybe it's Russia's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Maybe it's Russia's fault. They hacked the Sabres too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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