woods-racer Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) That is the most random assortment of players to single out as the issue. Gorges, I get because he is getting older and slower but the other two I don't. Kulikov hasn't played healthy for Buffalo once this season so bagging on him seems odd. Why should Kulikov be benched? Guhle literally cannot play in Buffalo on anything other than an injury emergency recall. He also shouldn't play in Buffalo until next season. 19yr old defenders shouldn't be full time NHL'ers. Let him develop normally. Don't ruin a kid by rushing him like Edmonton loves to. I took noacis stance in a broader context. We looked better when our starters where injured. It may not all be on Blysma. Or Blysma changes his system and it's not working when we have our team healthy. Edited December 13, 2016 by Woods-Racer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 We already know Bylsma has changed his system without the starters and then back again with the starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) We already know Bylsma has changed his system without the starters and then back again with the starters.I thought it was only for with/without Eichel. I got this from his interview on GR. So you are saying that any one player missing on the team he changes his system.? Edited December 13, 2016 by Woods-Racer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 I thought it was only for with/without Eichel. I got this from his interview on GR. So you are saying that any one player missing on the team he changes his system.? No that's not what I am saying. I am saying that when players are out he has altered the very system he is supposed to be playing. Altered it severely in some cases (Eichel). It is one thing to be like ROR is out so we need to adjust and do X,Y, or Z. It is another thing altogether to be like ROR so Okposo you can't do the things you normally do because I don't trust you do that with out ROR. Bylsma coaches not to lose. I want someone to coach to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 13, 2016 Report Share Posted December 13, 2016 As every coach everywhere does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Bump. Oh, wait. We won. :nana: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 As every coach everywhere does. Coaches not to lose? There is a different mentality between "Okay, we can't lose this game" and "Okay we will win this game" Too soon? No, I think DB didn't have his team fired up last night or ready to play. I noticed the more the players carried the puck instead of doing dump and chase or down low cycle dumps the more success we had. I still don't like Bylsma as a coach. The best thing he did last night was finally get Reinhart away from Jack because lets be honest Reinhart has been struggling this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Bump. Oh, wait. We won. :nana: Luckily, we get two bumps for every bump you get. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) Coaches not to lose? There is a different mentality between "Okay, we can't lose this game" and "Okay we will win this game" Too soon? No, I think DB didn't have his team fired up last night or ready to play. I noticed the more the players carried the puck instead of doing dump and chase or down low cycle dumps the more success we had. I still don't like Bylsma as a coach. The best thing he did last night was finally get Reinhart away from Jack because lets be honest Reinhart has been struggling this year. No, they coach not to lose when half of their starters are out because they know that the season is a marathon and they don't have chance to win some games unless by a huge upset. This really isn't that hard of a concept to grasp. Edited December 14, 2016 by SwampD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 No, they coach not to lose when half of their starters are out because they know that the season is a marathon and they don't have chance to win some games unless by a huge upset. This really isn't that hard of a concept to grasp. It's like last season never happened for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 It's like last season never happened for you. You mean back when we still had a bunch of AHLers playing for us? Did we not see improvement in different areas as the year went on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 You mean back when we still had a bunch of AHLers playing for us? Did we not see improvement in different areas as the year went on? The numbers say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 The numbers say no. Risto says there is more to life than numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Blizzard Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Last 11, 6-3-2, since Jack, 4-2-1 -- 105 point pace Couple that with first 21 games, we'd end year around 98 points Need time Let's see where we are at end of December Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Risto says there is more to life than numbers. I'll consider the goalposts moved! :nana: FWIW, I was always in the camp that the numbers on Risto didn't properly reflect his play...because Gorges. In general I do think team-level statistics tend to more accurately reflect team play than individual-level reflect individual value, all else equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Last 11, 6-3-2, since Jack, 4-2-1 -- 105 point pace Couple that with first 21 games, we'd end year around 98 points Need time Let's see where we are at end of December But which pace is sustainable? If everyone stays healthy, we might get to 90 points, but 98 just sounds optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 But which pace is sustainable? If everyone stays healthy, we might get to 90 points, but 98 just sounds optimistic. So we fire the guy because he only gets to 90????? Inquiring minds want to know. I'm in the SwampD camp, this year has been such an injury filled travesty so far that I'm not sure how you possibly fairly rate his job this season and the team's future development. Unless I'm wrong I don't see any outward signs of the team turning on him and for the most part it seems they are playing hard for him and appear to be still listening to his advice. Plus with all the lost games to injuries we're still a stones throw away from a playoff spot albeit a longer shot than what it may appear. I don't foresee Tampa struggling all year long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 If a coach is playing to not lose because he thinks it would take a major upset to win a game, he shouldn't have a job. That loser mentality trickles down to all the players and it has showed with widespread lackluster performances and zero urgency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) No, they coach not to lose when half of their starters are out because they know that the season is a marathon and they don't have chance to win some games unless by a huge upset. This really isn't that hard of a concept to grasp. No, but what seems to be a hard concept for you to grasp is exactly what JJ wrote below. If a coach is playing to not lose because he thinks it would take a major upset to win a game, he shouldn't have a job. That loser mentality trickles down to all the players and it has showed with widespread lackluster performances and zero urgency. I do think Bylsma has a loser mentality unless he has access to his cash cow, in this case Eichel. Edited December 14, 2016 by LGR4GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 No, but what seems to be a hard concept for you to grasp is exactly what JJ wrote below. I do think Bylsma has a loser mentality unless he has access to his cash cow, in this case Eichel. Show me a coach that wouldn't with the roster he had to start the season. You can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig22 Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 I do think Bylsma has a loser mentality unless he has access to his cash cow, in this case Eichel. My two cents. Nobody that gets to this point in a professional sport has a 'loser mentality'. It simply takes too much effort and self-belief for a weak outlook to make it. Is he cautious/calculating when the odds of success are low? Sure. But that is simply being practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Show me a coach that wouldn't with the roster he had to start the season. You can't. Quennville. He lost Zetterberg and Datsyuk at times, he kept on going. My two cents. Nobody that gets to this point in a professional sport has a 'loser mentality'. It simply takes too much effort and self-belief for a weak outlook to make it. Is he cautious/calculating when the odds of success are low? Sure. But that is simply being practical. Sure they can. Bylsma was an AHL assistant for 1 year, than an NHL assistant for one year, he then was nothing for a year, then was the AHL head for Pittsburgh and less then a year into that job he became an NHL head coach. So either he is the greatest coach ever, or he lucked into becoming an NHL head coach, was lucky enough to have a great team and to be coaching a style that worked for the time which won him a cup. This has then translated into the constant love affair because "well he has won it all!" that has followed him sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Quennville. He lost Zetterberg and Datsyuk at times, he kept on going. Sure they can. Bylsma was an AHL assistant for 1 year, than an NHL assistant for one year, he then was nothing for a year, then was the AHL head for Pittsburgh and less then a year into that job he became an NHL head coach. So either he is the greatest ###### coach ever, or he lucked into becoming an NHL head coach, was lucky enough to have a great team and to be coaching a style that worked for the time which won him a cup. This has then translated into the constant love affair because "well he has won it all!" that has followed him sense. Okay, That's two players. Who were the other seven starters he didn't have? FTR, I will not be bumping this thread the next time we win. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 My two cents. Nobody that gets to this point in a professional sport has a 'loser mentality'. It simply takes too much effort and self-belief for a weak outlook to make it. Is he cautious/calculating when the odds of success are low? Sure. But that is simply being practical. Dick "it's hard to win in the NFL" Jauron over in the corner has meekly raised his hand. He might beg to differ w/ your assessment. Quennville. He lost Zetterberg and Datsyuk at times, he kept on going. Sure they can. Bylsma was an AHL assistant for 1 year, than an NHL assistant for one year, he then was nothing for a year, then was the AHL head for Pittsburgh and less then a year into that job he became an NHL head coach. So either he is the greatest ###### coach ever, or he lucked into becoming an NHL head coach, was lucky enough to have a great team and to be coaching a style that worked for the time which won him a cup. This has then translated into the constant love affair because "well he has won it all!" that has followed him sense. WTF did Quenneville EVER have Datsyuk & Zetterberg to lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mig22 Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Sure they can. Bylsma was an AHL assistant for 1 year, than an NHL assistant for one year, he then was nothing for a year, then was the AHL head for Pittsburgh and less then a year into that job he became an NHL head coach. So either he is the greatest ###### coach ever, or he lucked into becoming an NHL head coach, was lucky enough to have a great team and to be coaching a style that worked for the time which won him a cup. This has then translated into the constant love affair because "well he has won it all!" that has followed him sense. I think you set up a bit of a false dichotomy. It isn't either Greatest or Lucked into it. He moved from role to role, did well enough at each step to move forward. It wasn't like he was an assistant and the whole rest of the coaching staff above him died in a bus accident. He earned his place and while he may not succeed here, there is no reason to fault his mentality. 1.33 years in the job and the team is improving. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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