I-90 W Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Link? A link based on common sense? Get over yourself this is a message board not TSN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Id trade a kidney for Cale Makar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Id trade a kidney for Cale Makar I think Liljegren is the way to go but if Makar wouldn't upset me. This reminds me of the Sam, Samson, Leon debate. Basically pick your poison. Heiskanen, Liljegren, Makar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Makar gives me butterflies, I think he's going to be elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Let's just hope one of those 3 falls to 8. I'm all in on the D at 8 notion now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 A link based on common sense? Get over yourself this is a message board not TSN.I'm nearly certain I'm cooler than 90% of this board, based on common sense of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) From Botterill Post PC Scrum Tweeted by Tom Martin From Botterill: -Meeting with Cal Petersen next week -Will let Housley talk w/ current assistants to see who to keep -Drafts BPA, period. Edited June 15, 2017 by BRAWNDO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 -Drafts BPA, period. Actual people who get paid very handsomely to draft kids for a living consistently say this and yet there is constant debate on here about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Actual people who get paid very handsomely to draft kids for a living consistently say this and yet there is constant debate on here about it. Because again eye of beholder and especially in this draft.... To me its rhetoric means little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 From Botterill Post PC Scrum Tweeted by Tom Martin From Botterill: -Meeting with Cal Petersen next week -Will let Housley talk w/ current assistants to see who to keep -Drafts BPA, period. Somebody really had to ask that? It's common sense, and JBOT is a smart man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) Actual people who get paid very handsomely to draft kids for a living consistently say this and yet there is constant debate on here about it. It's only when people think BPA has anything to do with objectivity. It depends what someone means by it. Lots of different things can factor into "best" in BPA, depending on who's doing the evaluating. Also, anyone that thinks the current team/cupboard of assets doesn't need to be taken into account when selecting a new player has to watch A Beautiful Mind. Somebody really had to ask that? It's common sense, and JBOT is a smart man. Yes, common sense to draft the BPA relative to what your current standing is. Any GM that doesn't operate under relativity is headed for massive problems. Edited June 15, 2017 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 It seems young defensemen, or even promising defensive prospects, are worth their weight in gold. Heck, I bet all a team has to do to build a true contender is to draft defensemen with their 1st round picks every year. Assuming they hit on most of their 1st rounders (and hit on some later round forwards), they can flip their spare D (the ones that are good, but not elite, or their D prospects) for outstanding forwards or add them in FA. From Botterill Post PC Scrum Tweeted by Tom Martin From Botterill: -Meeting with Cal Petersen next week -Will let Housley talk w/ current assistants to see who to keep -Drafts BPA, period. Did anyone get to ask him how he determines, or what he considers, BPA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 It seems young defensemen, or even promising defensive prospects, are worth their weight in gold. Heck, I bet all a team has to do to build a true contender is to draft defensemen with their 1st round picks every year. Assuming they hit on most of their 1st rounders (and hit on some later round forwards), they can flip their spare D (the ones that are good, but not elite, or their D prospects) for outstanding forwards or add them in FA. Did anyone get to ask him how he determines, or what he considers, BPA? It's cyclical. Teams are gonna start reaching for defensemen because of this, and soon teams will be stocked with defensive depth, but no depth offensively. The smart GM takes advantage of this and scoops up quality fowards as they slide draft down draft lists.... to be used as valuable currency down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) It's cyclical. Teams are gonna start reaching for defensemen because of this, and soon teams will be stocked with defensive depth, but no depth offensively. The smart GM takes advantage of this and scoops up quality fowards as they slide draft down draft lists.... to be used as valuable currency down the road. So we should be planning our march to contention for when the tide shifts? How long are we from that? Hopefully Eichel is still only in his early 30s... Edited June 15, 2017 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 So we should be planning our march to contention for when the tide shifts? How long are we from that? Hopefully Eichel is still only in his early 30s... Doesn't matter, it's all cyclical. Strike while the iron is hot, I say. Look at PIT. Their all-world defenseman missed the entire post-season, and still, they reached the top of the mountain with cast-offs like Shultz, Daley, Cole, Streit, Hainsey, Ruhwedel, etc... In BUF's case, they just need 1 or 2 quality bottom pairing guys to replace Gorges and Franson... they don't need top 10 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Doesn't matter, it's all cyclical. Strike while the iron is hot, I say. Look at PIT. Their all-world defenseman missed the entire post-season, and still, they reached the top of the mountain with cast-offs like Shultz, Daley, Cole, Streit, Hainsey, Ruhwedel, etc... In BUF's case, they just need 1 or 2 quality bottom pairing guys to replace Gorges and Franson... they don't need top 10 picks. Do you really think Bylsma failed becausd his bottom 6 and bottom d pair weren't good enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Botterill said he’s open to anything with the Sabres’ first pick, the eighth overall selection, at next Friday’s NHL Draft in Chicago. “You always have to be open to it,” he said. “My mindset, especially with the high pick, is always taking the best guy available. … Drafting for position in hockey is so difficult. Maybe it goes on a little bit more in other sports such as football. These players are coming two, four years down the road. There ya go. Per Bill Hoppe. Edited June 16, 2017 by We've Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 There ya go. Per Bill Hoppe. Still feels like a D, my inky sense is tingling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 There's a good chance the best available is a defender... although if Pettersson is there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 There's a very real chance Vancouver drafts him at 5. While i love Pettersson, if there is any chance that either Miro or Makar are available at #8, Vancouver would need to do something like Pettersson, on top of some other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Do you really think Bylsma failed becausd his bottom 6 and bottom d pair weren't good enough? Huh? I didn't mention anything about Bylsma, just making a point that picking D at 8th out of need would be a mistake in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Botterill did mention in the scrum after the presser that he has had discussions about moving up or possibly down in the first round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Patrick, Hischier, Glass, Vilardi will all go before 8. We only need 1 additional forward to slide in there to have an option of a defender. If Dallas takes a forward, that's going to be the wrench in the works that changes the next 4 picks. Mittlestadt, Pettersson, Necas, Tippett, and Suzuki are possible players for the top 7. Edited June 16, 2017 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 I pulled apart the last 2 Penguin drafts, I added Guenzel at the bottom just because it has some interest. I have no idea the input Botterill had in selecting their drafts, but I though it may help as to guessing what he believes. The Penguins believe in overagers, which is a reasonable belief, since in the 4rd round you are either looking at the 80th best 17 year old from the previous year, or maybe the 30th best 18 or 19 year old. Of the skaters chosen the past two seasons, Pittsburgh chose four 17-year-olds, one 18-year-old, two 19-year-olds, and one 20-year-old. You see both the boom and bust of choosing overagers, Dominic Simon wasn't a prospect at age 17, 18, or 19. Had a good age 20, and now looks like an NHL player. Tiffels, on the other hand, wasn't a propect at age 17 or 18, had a good age 19, but now the good age-19 looks like an anomaly. As people have stated before, most everyone goes through the NCAA. #55 Filip Gustavsson (G)#61 Kasper Björkqvist (RW/LW) : Overager 103/134th among 16's (Fin U20/Fin U18) 125th among 17's (Fin U20) 86th among 18's (Fin U20) 151st among 19's (NCAA)#77 Conner Hall (D) : Tall 85th among 16's (GOJHL) 56th among 17's (OHL) 77th among 18's (OHL)#121 Ryan Jones (D) : Double Overager 76th among 17's (midget) 81st among 18's (USHL) 55th among 19's (USHL) 70th among 20's (NCAA)#151 Niclas Almari (D) 75/95 among 16's (Fin U20/ U18) 87th among 17's (Fin U20) 46/82nd among 18's (Liiga/Mestis)#181 Joseph Masonius (D) : Overager 61/76tha among 16's (USDP-17/USHL) 22/60th among 17's (USDP/USHL) 7th among 18's (NCAA) 58th among 19's (NCAA)2015#46 Daniel Sprong (RW/LW) 8th among 16's (QMJHL) 29th among 17's (QMJHL) 59th among 18's (QMJHL) 20th among 19's (QMJHL)#137 Dominik Simon (LW/C) : Double Overager or more 141/142 among 17's (Czech U18/Czech U20) 16/52nd among 18's (Czech2/Czech U20) 105th among 19's (Czech) 44th among 20's (Czech) 24th among 21's (AHL) 19th among 22's (AHL)#167 Frederik Tiffels (LW) : Double Overager 90th among 17's (USHL) 98/124th among 18's (USHL/USHL) 54th among 19's (NCAA) 95th among 20's (NCAA) 111th among 21's (NCAA)#197 Nikita Pavlychev © : 6'7" 151st among 16's (AYHL) 133rd among 17's (USHL) 156th among 18's (USHL) 143rd among 19's (NCAA)2013#77 Jake Guentzel (C/LW) 32nd among 16's (High School) 19th among 17's (USHL) 24th among 18's (NCAA) 15th among 19's (NCAA) 32nd among 20's (NCAA) 1/5th among 21's (AHL/NHL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 There ya go. Per Bill Hoppe. BPA ? Hello Owen Tippett! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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