dudacek Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 I think chances are good Eichel is a Sabre under DR. Not so sure about Sam Reinhart. And there is no way Darcy would have sacrificed Rem Pitlick for such a thin chance at Vesey. Foolhardiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 (edited) FWIW at least Vesey has given us some sort of hockey to discuss the this summer, and we haven't even hit our annual go-to dog days threads yet Edited August 14, 2016 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 (edited) Mark Pysyk would still be Sabre under DR too. Speaking of Pysyk, he magically wasn't good enough for the 2015 Sabres but I bet dollars to donuts he would have played if DR were GM. Edited August 14, 2016 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 So it's Eichel vs Toews If Eichel doesn't win the Vesey sweeps, he'll still be better than Toews by the end of his ELC. Yea, I said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 If Eichel doesn't win the Vesey sweeps, he'll still be better than Toews by the end of his ELC. Yea, I said it.The better question is, will he be better than him this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 The better question is, will he be better than him this season? Better than Toews at what? Scoring? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 This can be great or not..... Either Jack is the sole reason we are a contender still, and that means we didn't meet many of his demands,or murray rubbed him the wrong way or etc... Or jack is seen as such a star that he is luring bait towards us. Which is awesome. I hope you're more positive than this while delivering babies :p "You're doing great. Or maybe not. That may be an umbilical cord choking the life out of your child. Who knows?" The better question is, will he be better than him this season? Depends who Vesey elevates to greatness :p Better than Toews at what? Scoring? Yes. I agree he'll have more points, though probably not by a lot. All around game won't be close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Better than Toews at what? Scoring? Yes.Do the relative gaps between the areas in which they are better or worse than one another favor Eichel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Do the relative gaps between the areas in which they are better or worse than one another favor Eichel? Jack has a significantly better shot than Toews but Toews all around game is just insane. Hard to really judge how close they are until Jack plays another year or two. I agree he'll have more points, though probably not by a lot. All around game won't be close. Toews had 28g and 58 points last season Eichel had 24g and 56 points last season Now I think Toews was down about 7 points from his average but still Jack should outscore him this season, by how much beats me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 In 2015 the Buffalo Sabres won the tank by 2 points or 1 win. DR does not execute the Kane trade which helped the tank, he probably doesn't send Reinhart back to juniors which help finish the tank. I have no doubt in my mind that DR would not have stomached or been able to successfully tank in 2015. As for the Laine/Matthews idea, I for 1 am rather glad the Sabres were not major contenders for the top 2 picks in this years draft because it means progress. I agree that Vesey would never have set foot in Buffalo if DR were still here because DR would still be to afraid to do anything but maintain the status quo and win every single trade he ever contemplated. Look at where the Sabres were in '13-'14 when DR got canned & where they finished that year. Yes, they still were dead last by a good margin, but they weren't playing AHL level hockey by then. DR wouldn't have risked that before he was in 30th by 30 points. DR never would've brought in useful vets like Gionta in '14-'15. There was no concern about a DR assembled team, that he would've wanted to suck ("suffering" was the term), being w/in a win of missing out on Eichel. Stafford would definitely have been gone for a package of prospects that wouldn't have helped in '15 and Myers/Bogosian were effectively washes and whichever DR had (it would've been Myers) wouldn't have pushed them to 29. DR is THE most risk-adverse GM there is; he would have given RR all of his 1 season and would've brought in a non-credentialed coach in '14-'15 to maintain the tire fire. And DR's team would've been absolutely unwatchable last year & only marginally watchable this season. And the Reinhart that would've been in Buffalo in '14-'15 was the '14-'15 Reinhart, not the '15-'16 one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Look at where the Sabres were in '13-'14 when DR got canned & where they finished that year. Yes, they still were dead last by a good margin, but they weren't playing AHL level hockey by then. DR wouldn't have risked that before he was in 30th by 30 points. DR never would've brought in useful vets like Gionta in '14-'15. There was no concern about a DR assembled team, that he would've wanted to suck ("suffering" was the term), being w/in a win of missing out on Eichel. Stafford would definitely have been gone for a package of prospects that wouldn't have helped in '15 and Myers/Bogosian were effectively washes and whichever DR had (it would've been Myers) wouldn't have pushed them to 29. DR is THE most risk-adverse GM there is; he would have given RR all of his 1 season and would've brought in a non-credentialed coach in '14-'15 to maintain the tire fire. And DR's team would've been absolutely unwatchable last year & only marginally watchable this season. And the Reinhart that would've been in Buffalo in '14-'15 was the '14-'15 Reinhart, not the '15-'16 one. We'll just have to disagree on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Per Kevin Paul DuPont Expect Vesey announcement Thurs or Fri this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 At the very least this will be an entertaining week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Per Kevin Paul DuPont Expect Vesey announcement Thurs or Fri this week. Great I get back from camping on Thursday. Vesey rep says Jack Eichel has been and is a "significant factor" in #Sabres remaining a contender in the process. @WGRZ If he chooses BUF, he will be Jack's cross to bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Great I get back from camping on Thursday. If he chooses BUF, he will be Jack's cross to bear. Feather light when compared to that of every Sabres fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 If he chooses BUF, he will be Jack's cross to bear. What goes on in your mind to make you say such things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 15th I believe. Though some guy on twitter claims the CBA might read that we have him until Tuesday. Waiting yet another day for this would be a nice kick in the dick And ranch dressing is for heathens Hey, our new franchise QB likes wings with ranch dressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 I hope you're more positive than this while delivering babies :p "You're doing great. Or maybe not. That may be an umbilical cord choking the life out of your child. Who knows?" Well of course I'm more positive..... I'm drunk ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Per Kevin Paul DuPont Expect Vesey announcement Thurs or Fri this week. NBCSN will host a one-hour decision special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 General Fanager confirmed Vesey is not a free agent until Tuesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Just so we are clear, I have no idea what he likes on his wings. That said, Tuesday will run wild with speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 (edited) http://m.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/212427076/agent-vesey-leaning-eastern-conference Maybe not Chicago? Edited August 15, 2016 by sodbuster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 This was also posted by as well Vesey rep says #Sabres will "unequivocally" be on Vesey's short list. "They've had their say... They'll have it again." @wgrz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 http://m.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/212427076/agent-vesey-leaning-eastern-conference Maybe not Chicago? Well if that's true and he doesn't pick Chicago, we know why he didn't stay in Nashville This was also posted by as well Vesey rep says #Sabres will "unequivocally" be on Vesey's short list. "They've had their say... They'll have it again." @wgrz 'Unequivocally'. I like the sound of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 http://m.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/212427076/agent-vesey-leaning-eastern-conference Maybe not Chicago? Per Article BlackHawks remain on the list According to sources familiar with the situation, Vesey has a short list of five or six teams that includes the Bruins and other teams in the northeast area, including the Rangers, Devils and Sabres. A source indicated that the player has something of a preference to play in the northeast; Fish declined to confirm, noting that Eastern Conference teams top Vesey’s list but that anything is possible. To that point, the Blackhawks remain on Vesey’s list after scouting him throughout the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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