Derrico Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 We don't have a generic Jack Eichel thread so I'm not sure where to put this. Mods please move if you feel necessary. What a great read on what Jack Eichel is doing in terms of his possession numbers. "on pace for 56 points which would be 6th best over the past 20 years, in one of the lowest scoring seasons ever" "Eichel is average at passing in the neutral zone, slightly above passing out of defensive zone, but in terms of carrying the puck, he's a phenom" Compares Eichel to Taylor Hall http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sabres-jack-eichel-is-a-puck-carrying-phenom/ I've been a bit disappointed in terms of where Eich is in terms of points. But you read articles like this and you realize just how good this kid is right now and what is hopefully in store for our future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 On average, defencemen are involved in over two more possession driving plays per 20 minutes than forwards are, yet only two players in the entire NHL complete more than 19-year-old Eichel: Roman Josi and Erik Karlsson. nice stat :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Your thread title gave me a heart attack for a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Your thread title gave me a heart attack for a second. :w00t: Now I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 We don't have a generic catchall Jack Eichel thread We should. We used to. I've been a bit disappointed in terms of where Eich is in terms of points. I can't say I've been disappointed with the kid in any way. My expectations were sky high, and I feel like he's right there with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 All things considered, the only player in the NHL who is comparable to Eichel in terms of skating the puck through the neutral zone is Hall, which is interesting as Hall is the next best forward after Eichel in overall possession driving plays as well. Going a bit further; Hall’s rookie season saw him pace for 28 goals and 53 points over an 82 game season, whereas Eichel’s pace is 26 goals and 56 points. Even more eerily; Hall averaged 1.57 points per 60 minutes at even strength as a rookie, whereas Eichel has averaged 1.58. He's a fancy-stats wet dream. Oh man, I'm in love. So....can we go and get Taylor Hall now? nice stat :P That's just beyond absurd. Like finding out Pam Anderson has a natural set on here, I never would have guessed Jack is that good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Just came here to post this. Great read. The article compares his rookie season to Taylor Hall. Hall is a great player, but I hope Eichel is better. I think he will be. Edited February 4, 2016 by Hoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Eichel will definitely be better than Hall. Harder league, harder position, worse line-mates, and still producing NHL leading possession and scoring like Hall did his rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Eichel will definitely be better than Hall. Harder league, harder position, worse line-mates, and still producing NHL leading possession and scoring like Hall did his rookie year. BOOM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Just came here to post this. Great read. The article compares his rookie season to Taylor Hall. Hall is a great player, but I hope Eichel is better. I think he will be. So the Sabres carry the puck into the attack zone more than teams do on average? Interesting & not expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) So the Sabres carry the puck into the attack zone more than teams do on average? Interesting & not expected. I wouldn't say that. At least based off of that chart alone Edited February 4, 2016 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I wouldn't say that. At least based off of that chart alone Last column. Sabres forwards carry puck into attack zone ~ 3.8/even strength period skated vs ~3.7/ for league average. (Realizing it's only F's & even strength, but for that criteria, the Sabres exceed league average.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I wouldn't say that. At least based off of that chart alone What does controlled entries mean then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 So the Sabres carry the puck into the attack zone more than teams do on average? Interesting & not expected. But I read right here in these very parts that we are strictly a dump and chase team as per Bylsma's instruction. GO SABRES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Last column. Sabres forwards carry puck into attack zone ~ 3.8/even strength period skated vs ~3.7/ for league average. (Realizing it's only F's & even strength, but for that criteria, the Sabres exceed league average.) Nitpicking clearly, but that's the league average of every player, not the average of every team's own average. If that makes any sense What does controlled entries mean then? Bringing the puck into the Offensive Zone with clear control of the puck. (i.e. not dumping it in, not challenging to get the puck and it happens to cross the line) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 So who exactly tracks all of these stats? I mean the manpower alone would be unreal (even if they are reviewing tape to dig out this info). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) So who exactly tracks all of these stats? I mean the manpower alone would be unreal (even if they are reviewing tape to dig out this info). SportlogIQ, whoever the hell that is. I don't know who does it in that company, but it would be a dream job to get hired at a place like that. Just keep track of NHL stats all day, and write code to do it? Sign me up Edited February 4, 2016 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 But I read right here in these very parts that we are strictly a dump and chase team as per Bylsma's instruction. GO SABRES!!! Other teams also playing dinosaur hockey does not mean we aren't ;) I'd like to see two things. One, is a team by team comparison, particularly to the top teams. Two, is a player breakdown by team--it might be that we have a few players terrific at controlled entries pulling the other shlubs up, whereas other teams make a concerted effort deep into the lineup to carry it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Just came here to post this. Great read. The article compares his rookie season to Taylor Hall. Hall is a great player, but I hope Eichel is better. I think he will be. I'll say this. Not a fan of #fancystats, but this makes so much more sense than Corsi or Fenwick, just counting shots at the net as proxies for possession. Does this company calculate actual time of possession (control)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Nitpicking clearly, but that's the league average of every player, not the average of every team's own average. If that makes any sense Bringing the puck into the Offensive Zone with clear control of the puck. (i.e. not dumping it in, not challenging to get the puck and it happens to cross the line) Well, if each team has 12 forwards and the "average" forward in the league has 3.7 entries, then the "average" team in the league will have 44.4 forward entries per 20 minutes of ES & (assuming the chart is correct) then the Sabres at 3.8 entries has 45.6 forward entries per 20 minutes of ES. Now this says the Sabres forwards only carry it in nearly 3 more times per game @ ES than the "average" team and says nothing of D-led entries and doesn't account for PP/SH; but that is what that last column shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Other teams also playing dinosaur hockey does not mean we aren't ;) I'd like to see two things. One, is a team by team comparison, particularly to the top teams. Two, is a player breakdown by team--it might be that we have a few players terrific at controlled entries pulling the other shlubs up, whereas other teams make a concerted effort deep into the lineup to carry it in. I suspect you are correct about us having one or two guys who can do it consistently. My belief is that no team does one or the other exclusively and for obvious reasons. GO SABRES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Well, if each team has 12 forwards and the "average" forward in the league has 3.7 entries, then the "average" team in the league will have 44.4 forward entries per 20 minutes of ES & (assuming the chart is correct) then the Sabres at 3.8 entries has 45.6 forward entries per 20 minutes of ES. Now this says the Sabres forwards only carry it in nearly 3 more times per game @ ES than the "average" team and says nothing of D-led entries and doesn't account for PP/SH; but that is what that last column shows. Fair enough. Hard to argue with that And here's the website of the guys that made it. Just 12-15 people company, all with PhD's (required to work there), and no stats I can find. Kinda sucks, cause they have the right stats, they just do articles with them instead of keeping massive databases http://sportlogiq.com/hockey/ Plus, they're website really doesn't work. 1/2 the stuff you click on brings you nowhere Edited February 4, 2016 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I suspect you are correct about us having one or two guys who can do it consistently. My belief is that no team does one or the other exclusively and for obvious reasons. GO SABRES!!! And nobody has ever argued for exclusively carrying it in. Sometimes you have to dump, but we have players with options choosing to dump and chase. Shouldn't happen IMO. I also think the coach should put a lot of work in on designing zone entries that get around the defense's desire to force a dump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Great article. If he is doing this at 19, what will he be like at 23? Speaking of 23, this article was right below Jack's. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sam-reinharts-shot-is-catching-up-to-his-hockey-iq/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Fair enough. Hard to argue with that And here's the website of the guys that made it. Just 12-15 people company, all with PhD's (required to work there), and no stats I can find. Kinda sucks, cause they have the right stats, they just do articles with them instead of keeping massive databases http://sportlogiq.com/hockey/ Plus, they're website really doesn't work. 1/2 the stuff you click on brings you nowhere Interesting. Good find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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