JJFIVEOH Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Every single team has roster turnover from one season to the next. Not to this extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Not to this extent.I'm confused. Just how many players do you think we'll be changing from now until the start of next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) I know he's not released from the team, but he IS cut from the roster. My point is why rush Lehner back when he still looks shaky? He says he's still store in his interview today, and doesn't sound very confident at all ("...am I going to be perfect? I don't know... we'll see how it goes..."). They should've max'd out his time in Roch before bringing him back up. Give him some confidence. He was there for 8 days, they could've left him there for another 6 days which means another weekend of games to fine tune his technique and get his mind right. Why not take advantage of that option? Now this is a reasonable point. Indeed, that is a very good point. Lehner could be just an honest, self-deprecating guy too. Maybe MODO or if we had a resident Ott'wa fan has heard other interviews with him to know. Side note: Ullmark is up to 19 games, is it 25 games in a season for him where it counts towards a season for RFA/UFA status? Edited January 14, 2016 by MattPie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 I'm confused. Just how many players do you think we'll be changing from now until the start of next season? I'm not confident the number will be minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintwestwood Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 I'm not confident the number will be minimal. Who do you think is leaving specifically? I'm interested in names personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Indeed, that is a very good point. Lehner could be just an honest, self-deprecating guy too. Maybe MODO or if we had a resident Ott'wa fan has heard other interviews with him to know. Side note: Ullmark is up to 19 games, is it 25 games in a season for him where it counts towards a season for RFA/UFA status? Ullmark will be an RFA after the 2016-17 season. min age for UFA status is 27, he's only 22. http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/buffalo-sabres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Who do you think is leaving specifically? I'm interested in names personally. The list of UFAs is a good start, and includes McGinn, Legwand, Cola, Weber, Johnson, and Sanguinetti. Of those, I'd only really forsee to see McGinn back if he wants to be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 I'm not confident the number will be minimal.Why should it be minimal though?The list of UFAs is a good start, and includes McGinn, Legwand, Cola, Weber, Johnson, and Sanguinetti. Of those, I'd only really forsee to see McGinn back if he wants to be here.I'd bet Legwad returns as well, and maybe Carlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Ullmark will be an RFA after the 2016-17 season. min age for UFA status is 27, he's only 22. http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/buffalo-sabres That inadvertently answered my question. A player is a UFA after 27 *or* playing 7 seasons (a season being 25+ games, I believe). But if he's 22, there's no way he can get to 7 seasons before 27, so it's not a factor. The only thing that ticks over at 25 for him is rookie status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Half the team blows, and Murray isn't bitching about winning Seriously. Keeping a bunch of crappy players together is not going to result in success just because they've already played together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Why should it be minimal though? Yeah, this team is hovering around 28th, I'm not too afraid of some roster turnover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Seriously. Keeping a bunch of crappy players together is not going to result in success just because they've already played crappy together. FIFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Turning over half the team expecting some sort of chemistry and cohesiveness is just as asinine. Especially when you want to make the youngest team in the league even younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 The best thing to do when the team finally wins a couple of games........................... mess up the combination. Way to go guys. I'm beginning to think this organization really doesn't want to win.It was never the goal this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Turning over half the team expecting some sort of chemistry and cohesiveness is just as asinine. Especially when you want to make the youngest team in the league even younger. Which is why a successful rebuild takes 4-5 years. It takes 2-3 years just to shed dead weight in a responsible manner (getting a good return). Murray was hired exactly two years ago... this will be his third trade deadline with the Sabres, so I'd put them in the middle of year 2 on his rebuild path, so we're about half-way there I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Which is why a successful rebuild takes 4-5 years. It takes 2-3 years just to shed dead weight in a responsible manner (getting a good return). Murray was hired exactly two years ago... this will be his third trade deadline with the Sabres, so I'd put them in the middle of year 2 on his rebuild path, so we're about half-way there I'd say. Murray also said he didn't believe in 5 yr rebuilds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Murray also said he didn't believe in 5 yr rebuilds.This is it, Murrays last stand...he's gonna go all out and finish the rebuild this trade deadline and draft/offseason. He'll aquire a couple 2nd rounders and maybe a first and turn those pics into ready prospects through trades or good young draft picks in a deep draft. Then it's contend or bust from next year on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 I know he's not released from the team, but he IS cut from the roster. My point is why rush Lehner back when he still looks shaky? He says he's still store in his interview today, and doesn't sound very confident at all ("...am I going to be perfect? I don't know... we'll see how it goes..."). They should've max'd out his time in Roch before bringing him back up. Give him some confidence. He was there for 8 days, they could've left him there for another 6 days which means another weekend of games to fine tune his technique and get his mind right. Why not take advantage of that option? I think it was a long term loan not conditioning. That means max of 3 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Murray also said he didn't believe in 5 yr rebuilds. Depends what you mean by rebuild. Where does this team need to be to consider the rebuild complete? I'd say rebuild means shedding dead weight and adding young players to build around. That certainly won't take 3 more years. They have three 3rd rnd picks this draft, and two 2nd round picks in 2017. I'd say the rebuild will be over after the 2017 draft. From then on it will just be about developing what they already have. That said, once the rebuild is over, there will still be deals and drafts and salary cap issues to content with as this team matures. The job won't get any easier for TM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODO Hockey Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Indeed, that is a very good point. Lehner could be just an honest, self-deprecating guy too. Maybe MODO or if we had a resident Ott'wa fan has heard other interviews with him to know. Side note: Ullmark is up to 19 games, is it 25 games in a season for him where it counts towards a season for RFA/UFA status? Gonna try to analyze this, seen from my point of view. Look, 4 seasons ago, i believed Robin Lehner would become something extraordinary, young and very spicy, Robin Lehner has quite a temper as a goalie. He played some really good games in Ottawa, 5 games with percentage of 93,5 and the word spread like an fire in Sweden, almost noone knew about Robin Lehner before, because he left Sweden for OHL, before even playing a game in SHL. After that, his Career took a swing, high swing, but about the same time his injuries started, and has been following him like a black sheep ever since, this is the downside with Robin Lehner, i dont know if its his playstyle or what that is the reason. If Robin Lehner gets to be free of injuries, he will provide, no doubt. I would LOVE seeing Robin Lehner / Linus Ullmark, 2 special goalies indeed with one hell of a teamspirit, but this is my heart speaking, not my common sense, because that would be to send Ullmark down, to R.A, let him own that league like the boss he is, gain more intel of the American way of hockey, and then come up next season as 2nd, and fight for 1st. This is the most likely scenario. Looking at economy for example. Sending down Chad is not economically. And if i get this part right, Ullmark can only play 25 games, otherwize Sabres must offer him 1 way contract, right? Sending down Ullmark now, would most likely be unfair to the team and him, but Robin Lehner costs $2,225.000 per season, he is comming no matter what. Edited January 15, 2016 by MODO Hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Turning over half the team expecting some sort of chemistry and cohesiveness is just as asinine. Especially when you want to make the youngest team in the league even younger. I can agree with that to an extent. I'm just curious as to the other option we have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODO Hockey Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=668&id=927856&lang=en&navid=DL|BUF|homeLooking at this video, not knowing Robin Lehner you might think his quite weird, he always looks mad as fuwk, but this is how he is, very spicy guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODO Hockey Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Edit:Didnt know, just watched the i.w with DB, he confirmed they sendt down Linus Ullmark to R.A, saying it was the right thing to do, eventhough chad has almost played aswell as Linus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Our GM knows Lehner better than most from his time in Ottawa. This is the guy he wanted. I thrust him for now and so far, so good. Get used to it guys and dolls, unless something drastic changes I believe Lehner to be our #1, with Linus the very capable backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 If Robin Lehner gets to be free of injuries, he will provide, no doubt. I would LOVE seeing Robin Lehner / Linus Ullmark, 2 special goalies indeed with one hell of a teamspirit, but this is my heart speaking, not my common sense, because that would be to send Ullmark down, to R.A, let him own that league like the boss he is, gain more intel of the American way of hockey, and then come up next season as 2nd, and fight for 1st. This is what I expect to happen. I still expect Lehner to be our # 1 long term but Ullmark to be a good backup. Is Borje Salming still God over way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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