Weave Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Surely this must draw PA out of hiding, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Surely this must draw PA out of hiding, no?Beat me to it. At te very least I expect GoDD to make an appearance. Speaking of hiding, I think it's time we put Liger's mug on a milk carton Edited July 27, 2015 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Beat me to it. At te very least I expect GoDD to make an appearance He's suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You have been indeed and it appears TP is one of those who thinks highly of him. I do not. Because he was a big part of the organization, and eventually ran it, during a terrible and lengthy period in Bills' history during which they made one awful decision after another -- and during which, I do not believe, that his responsibilities/influence were limited to marketing. Terrible decisions on his watch, off the top of my head: Toronto series Gregg Williams Mike Mularkey Dick Jauron (including his contract extension) Chan Gailey Buddy Nix Mike Williams Aaron Maybin Derrick Dockery Robert Royal Jason Peters EJ Manuel Trade for Watkins Failure to bring in a decent QB I say again: yuck. Well, yeah. I mean -- other than that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You have been indeed and it appears TP is one of those who thinks highly of him. I do not. Because he was a big part of the organization, and eventually ran it, during a terrible and lengthy period in Bills' history during which they made one awful decision after another -- and during which, I do not believe, that his responsibilities/influence were limited to marketing. Terrible decisions on his watch, off the top of my head: Toronto series Gregg Williams Mike Mularkey Dick Jauron (including his contract extension) Chan Gailey Buddy Nix Mike Williams Aaron Maybin Derrick Dockery Robert Royal Jason Peters EJ Manuel Trade for Watkins Failure to bring in a decent QB I say again: yuck. Come on, he wasn't responsible for those decisions. And he wasn't in a leadership role for most of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 He's suspended.GoDD? For what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 GoDD? For what? What else? :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 More seriously, I realize the team's football operations have not been great (have been awful) during his tenure. But I think (I think) his role with football stuff has been overstated. On the business side of the ledger, he's been mostly aces. The TO series was a failed experiment, but worth the risk and effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 He's suspended. I swear I saw his name listed at the bottom among active users a day or two ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 You have been indeed and it appears TP is one of those who thinks highly of him. I do not. Because he was a big part of the organization, and eventually ran it, during a terrible and lengthy period in Bills' history during which they made one awful decision after another -- and during which, I do not believe, that his responsibilities/influence were limited to marketing. Terrible decisions on his watch, off the top of my head: Toronto series Gregg Williams Mike Mularkey Dick Jauron (including his contract extension) Chan Gailey Buddy Nix Mike Williams Aaron Maybin Derrick Dockery Robert Royal Jason Peters EJ Manuel Trade for Watkins Failure to bring in a decent QB I say again: yuck. None of that matters because that is not what he is doing now. There is no doubt he was promoted to positions outside his realm but he is being used properly now. As for the Toronto series, it was a financial windfall for the team regardless of how you view it. If anything, being President of both takes him even further away from the hockey or football side of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 What else? :pLanguage, Penn State theories, or his brining up your personal life would be my best bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 The Toronto Series made big money for the Bills. Fans going to games in Buffalo didn't like it but it was good for the Bills bottom line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 GoDD? For what? A sideways joke that, by implication, made reference to the Sabres ownership/FO, Penn State, and kids getting abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 The Toronto Series made big money for the Bills. Fans going to games in Buffalo didn't like it but it was good for the Bills bottom line. The dollar isn't always the ultimate goal. A president who can serve fans while adequately doing his job isn't too much to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 The dollar isn't always the ultimate goal. A president who can serve fans while adequately doing his job isn't too much to ask. It was for Ralph, though. His recent largesse notwithstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Russ Brandon? Yuck. Yeah, the guy was terrible for the Bills, bringing in all that money to keep them viable. :doh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Surely this must draw PA out of hiding, no? I miss him too (and immediately thought of him when I saw this thread) I've never really cared about non-hockey management personnel. I don't really like Brandon or Black, but I've never disliked them strongly (maybe only a little). I think the Bills' marketing has been less tone-deaf than the Sabres', but not by much. freeman is right that there should have been a FO/management purge when Terry took over for the Bills, but that doesn't mean that there still aren't talented people that were involved when the Bills were terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 There's an aberration, looking at the front office pages for both teams: http://sabres.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=36588 http://www.buffalobills.com/about-us/front-office.html The Executive sections list Terry as Owner of the Sabres and Owner/CEO of the Bills. The Sabres list Kim as CEO/President of PSE and the Bills list as Owner/President of PSE. Little weird. Obviously, they're both Owners. Are they both CEOs of PSE? Is Russ the new President of PSE? The five EVPs of PSE are listed for both teams. I'm pretty sure that PSE is "running" both teams, and that the role of President of PSE was a redundancy that worked out "mutually." Maybe Ted didn't want to run the Bills, and Russ was okay with it. Cliff Benson may also be faced with the same decision: be CDO of PSE, including the Bills, or get Buddy Nixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 By the way, Black was not the executive screaming at the TV calling Babcock a liar during the Toronto press conference. The dollar isn't always the ultimate goal. A president who can serve fans while adequately doing his job isn't too much to ask. Sometimes Presidents have to make difficult decisions for the greater good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 The dollar isn't always the ultimate goal. A president who can serve fans while adequately doing his job isn't too much to ask. It is, actually. Considering the position the Bills were in under RW hard choices had to be made. Of course it's easy for fans to complain when they don't realize how awful the alternative would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 It was for Ralph, though. His recent largesse notwithstanding. Where were you when I needed you in the Bills thread? Anyway, I agree with whoever said this seems to out an awful lot on one person's plate. I'm fine with hit, but I hope he remembers what sleep feels like because he won't be getting any now. Also, it's official: Brandon is Freeman's Battista. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I miss him too (and immediately thought of him when I saw this thread) I've never really cared about non-hockey management personnel. I don't really like Brandon or Black, but I've never disliked them strongly (maybe only a little). I think the Bills' marketing has been less tone-deaf than the Sabres', but not by much. freeman is right that there should have been a FO/management purge when Terry took over for the Bills, but that doesn't mean that there still aren't talented people that were involved when the Bills were terrible. To the bolded, neither have I. And I don;t intend to start now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 To the bolded, neither have I. And I don;t intend to start now. Same. I guess he ate the turdburger. There's an aberration, looking at the front office pages for both teams: http://sabres.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=36588 http://www.buffalobills.com/about-us/front-office.html The Executive sections list Terry as Owner of the Sabres and Owner/CEO of the Bills. The Sabres list Kim as CEO/President of PSE and the Bills list as Owner/President of PSE. Little weird. Obviously, they're both Owners. Are they both CEOs of PSE? Is Russ the new President of PSE? The five EVPs of PSE are listed for both teams. I'm pretty sure that PSE is "running" both teams, and that the role of President of PSE was a redundancy that worked out "mutually." Maybe Ted didn't want to run the Bills, and Russ was okay with it. Cliff Benson may also be faced with the same decision: be CDO of PSE, including the Bills, or get Buddy Nixed. I'm not sure that Kim is an owner of the Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 By the way, Black was not the executive screaming at the TV calling Babcock a liar during the Toronto press conference. Wait - whu--? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I swear I saw his name listed at the bottom among active users a day or two ago. Probably banned from posting, but not sighing on and reading. Just guessing, as I missed whatever happened. 11 posted an update that everybody banned everybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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