MattPie Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 From the lowly Oilers! 2008 at 12, 2009 at 10, and the first overall of 2010 and 2011. :o Never fun to rehash but at least it appears we've rediscovered the importance of early draft picks. You can say that, but there's no reason to think EDM would have had the exact same seasons if the Sabres hadn't matched. They may well have decided that without firsts they need to be more proactive in FA and trades and built a decent if not good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I have a new favorite target...Brock Nelson. 6-3, 200, American. Has chemistry with Eichel already too. Islanders don't have a first, second or third round pick this year...work out a trade. They also have Anders Lee, who is bigger and also American...but I think I rather go after Nelson. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Nice player, poor trade fit. Don't see the Islanders trading part of their young core for futures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 The thing with these offer sheets is that it's the AAV OR the total divided by five. Whichever is higher. So an offer that goes longer than five years would hurt our chances of either keeping the compensation low or getting an offer they won't match. Best bet is to go 4 or 5 years around the $9.1M cap it would take to keep it under the 4 firsts compensation line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I have a new favorite target...Brock Nelson. 6-3, 200, American. Has chemistry with Eichel already too. Islanders don't have a first, second or third round pick this year...work out a trade. They also have Anders Lee, who is bigger and also American...but I think I rather go after Nelson. Thoughts? Serious question and no disrespect intended Bob but are we trying to build team America or the best team possible ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Serious question and no disrespect intended Bob but are we trying to build team America or the best team possible ? Team America is the best team possible (NSFW) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M4 Edited June 17, 2015 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Team America is the best team possible (NSFW) Love that show :w00t: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-man Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Saw this yesterday, interesting idea. You take a strapped team, maybe from a division rival (who you probably wouldn't trade with anyway) and offer sheet two of their players at different tiers, to the point where they can only keep one due to their cap situation. I love the idea of hamstringing Boston. Are Spooner and Hamilton worth a 1, 2, and 3? Maybe, if Tim Murray really wants to add some younger guys who are NHL ready. Don't forget Terry Pegula's Buffalo Bills did the same thing to the Dolphins this offseason, although it works a bit differently there. I'm sure Tim Murray has the green light if he thinks it makes sense from a Hockey standpoint. http://www.tsn.ca/dual-offer-sheets-the-way-to-land-rfa-talent-1.315613 That said, I read through the comments and it seems like these things rarely happen, even more rarely are accepted, and never have really paid off. But there's a first time for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Saw this yesterday, interesting idea. You take a strapped team, maybe from a division rival (who you probably wouldn't trade with anyway) and offer sheet two of their players at different tiers, to the point where they can only keep one due to their cap situation. I love the idea of hamstringing Boston. Are Spooner and Hamilton worth a 1, 2, and 3? Maybe, if Tim Murray really wants to add some younger guys who are NHL ready. Don't forget Terry Pegula's Buffalo Bills did the same thing to the Dolphins this offseason, although it works a bit differently there. I'm sure Tim Murray has the green light if he thinks it makes sense from a Hockey standpoint. http://www.tsn.ca/dual-offer-sheets-the-way-to-land-rfa-talent-1.315613 That said, I read through the comments and it seems like these things rarely happen, even more rarely are accepted, and never have really paid off. But there's a first time for everything. If you're suggesting making these offers at the same exact time, there can't be any overlap between the compensations for each player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-man Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Yes, that's the idea. If you read the article, they bold the two tiers that make sense for this, and have examples of players that fit into these tiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 We should definitely not trade our 1st round pick in 2016. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Yes, that's the idea. If you read the article, they bold the two tiers that make sense for this, and have examples of players that fit into these tiers. I just can't picture the smaller contract being one that would bother a team much. If you're going to have to force someone's hand with a $3.6 million offer to a mid-tier player, I can't imagine that the player is going to be someone worth that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 I just can't picture the smaller contract being one that would bother a team much. If you're going to have to force someone's hand with a $3.6 million offer to a mid-tier player, I can't imagine that the player is going to be someone worth that money. That's what mid tier players cost though. It's not that you're overpaying, it's that teams try to use RFA status to underpay. By offer sheeting at the top of that band you're simply preventing a team from underpaying, and if they're tight to the cap, they may have little choice but to let the player go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 That's what mid tier players cost though. It's not that you're overpaying, it's that teams try to use RFA status to underpay. By offer sheeting at the top of that band you're simply preventing a team from underpaying, and if they're tight to the cap, they may have little choice but to let the player go. The one's suggested in the article are not guys I'd consider spending that money on. I think you can find those guys just as easily either by trade in an avenue where you actually have a say in the matter. These ideas are great and all, that you may actually be sticking it to a team, but at the end of the day, they can find a way to make it work and you're left still trying to find that player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 The one's suggested in the article are not guys I'd consider spending that money on. I think you can find those guys just as easily either by trade in an avenue where you actually have a say in the matter. These ideas are great and all, that you may actually be sticking it to a team, but at the end of the day, they can find a way to make it work and you're left still trying to find that player. If you try and they find a way to match, so be it. I really don't see how it's much different than putting a lot of time into trade talks only to have a deal fall apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 We should definitely not trade our 1st round pick in 2016. Nope. I'm fully aware of what Matthews projects to be, but guys like Hamilton/Toffoli and possibly guys like ROR or Duchene are more of value to me than another shot at the lottery. I'm not saying we should go full "win-now" mode, but I would not be opposed to moving next year's first for a good return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 I'm fully aware of what Matthews projects to be, but guys like Hamilton/Toffoli and possibly guys like ROR or Duchene are more of value to me than another shot at the lottery. I'm not saying we should go full "win-now" mode, but I would not be opposed to moving next year's first for a good return. Yup. Speed up the rebuild, and by getting a mix of ages you don't have all your contracts coming due in a 2 year window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Its not just Matthews. Chykrun and Puhljarvi are top end guys too. It is about the fact that the top 3 picks are lotto slots. Make a run at the playoffs and miss and you may end up pulling an Oil and lucking into another stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Its not just Matthews. Chykrun and Puhljarvi are top end guys too. It is about the fact that the top 3 picks are lotto slots. Make a run at the playoffs and miss and you may end up pulling an Oil and lucking into another stud. But let's not pretend that the Oilers made a late playoff run. Relative to the rest of the league, they had a good chance at winning the lottery. Under the new system, this year's Bruins would have had a small chance of moving up to the top 3, but that chance would be miniscule. Don't mind me here, just a little nitpicking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 But let's not pretend that the Oilers made a late playoff run. Relative to the rest of the league, they had a good chance at winning the lottery. Under the new system, this year's Bruins would have had a small chance of moving up to the top 3, but that chance would be miniscule. Don't mind me here, just a little nitpicking. But that is a crucial point, not a nitpick. I'm not refusing to trade next year's first because we may potentially just miss the playoffs, and want that miniscule shot-in-the-dark at a top 3 pick. If I'm not trading the pick, it's because of the chance we will finish bottom-5 and have a realistic chance at a top pick. Having said that, I take that risk if we are able to leverage next year's first for a true top level talent. The benefits outweigh the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I personally hate the idea of an rfa offer sheet. LA is matching. Chicago is matching. Explore a trade if we want it that badly. Regardless, in GMTM I trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 There'll come a time when we may be hard up against the cap and teams would offer sheet us as payback. The old boys network is alive and I'm not sure Murray fits in with that crowd. I hope he plays nice mostly because at a time like this when we're still developing the draft picks we give as compensation could sting to lose. Better to use in a trade for the player we need imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I'm not a fan of doing rfa's. You open up other GM's doing it to you later on eventually. As much as I would like taking Samsonov with pick 21 I would much rather have a winger or d-man. Plenty of good goalies in all rounds of these drafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Yup. Speed up the rebuild, and by getting a mix of ages you don't have all your contracts coming due in a 2 year window. That is something that needs to be taken into account. Very good point. Edited June 25, 2015 by Thanes16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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