rakish Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 See that's what I'm not getting. I'm hearing you say that it's 8mm for one year, divided by 5, so the compesation would be reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 See that's what I'm not getting. I'm hearing you say that it's 8mm for one year, divided by 5, so the compesation would be reasonable. Nope. It's AAV or total divided by 5, whichever is HIGHER. AAV on a one-year $8M deal is $8M. That's higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'm not really interested in any of them (maybe a goalie, but just to fill the spot.) This team is going to be a lot different his coming year already with no other major moves, I'm more than willing (and happy) to see what the current changes bring...then make moves after evaluating that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I like this idea, I had no idea SJ did this; for whom did they do it for? They can't afford Hossa, Sharp, and paying Saad. Someone will be dumped, and it will likely be Sharp/Hossa Chicago can't risk getting rid of Hossa for the same reason we couldn't trade away Ehrhoff. If he retires after getting traded his cap hit would be way worse than if he retired as a member of the Blackhawks. Chicago has too many good players they have to pay to be able to waste cap space like that so I don't think there's any chance they risk something like that. I feel that way also. Hossa carries way too much risk for a team to be interested in him. It will be interesting though seeing how it plays out for him over the years coming. Big bucks and long term on old guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted May 31, 2015 Report Share Posted May 31, 2015 I feel that way also. Hossa carries way too much risk for a team to be interested in him. It will be interesting though seeing how it plays out for him over the years coming. Big bucks and long term on old guy. Hossa carries little risk for any team that wants to trade for him because Chicago would be the one on the hook for his cap evasion penalty since they were the ones to sign him to his current contract and they reaped the benefits of his cap hit being lower than his actual salary. If we traded for him now and he retired in say 2 or 3 years it wouldn't really hurt us at all and it would cripple them which is why they can't trade him and why we couldn't trade Ehrhoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 You really think GMTM will tender an RFA? He seems to me to be too much in the "NHL GM Boys Club" to piss off a fellow GM. That would really put GMTM in the ZFG category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 You really think GMTM will tender an RFA? He seems to me to be too much in the "NHL GM Boys Club" to piss off a fellow GM. That would really put GMTM in the ZFG category. I wish this wasn't a thing. Restricted free agents should be fair game as long as you're willing to pay the price and picks to get it done. If I'm Murray I'm offering one or two guys at the second-round tender (guys like Silfverberg and Martin Jones and Craig Smith). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) I wish this wasn't a thing. Restricted free agents should be fair game as long as you're willing to pay the price and picks to get it done. If I'm Murray I'm offering one or two guys at the second-round tender (guys like Silfverberg and Martin Jones and Craig Smith). Agree. The salary cap is there for a reason. Not using it to your advantage is incompetence. Other GM's shouldnt be pissed. They only have themselves to blame. Oh, maybe that's why they're pissed. Edited June 1, 2015 by Tondas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 There are few D I think could help, but aside from Saad on oofense, Joel Ward really intrigues me. He was a beast for the Caps and showed some nice hands. Most consistent Cap during series with Rangers imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresith Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I'm not really interested in any of them (maybe a goalie, but just to fill the spot.) This team is going to be a lot different his coming year already with no other major moves, I'm more than willing (and happy) to see what the current changes bring...then make moves after evaluating that. This is where I am at with the whole thing. I want to see what this team can do, now that dfl is not the mission statement. Then make the necessary trades when DB has a better understanding of who is part of the plan going forward. This year is about learning the new system and building chemistry. If we truly want a contender for the next ten years. We have to be patient and build these players properly. Then you add veterans to complement our core. Just get me a goalie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) 5 Players Every GM Should Offer Sheet The ability to poach RFA’s from cash-strapped and cap-maxed teams is one of the most underused tools in the General Manager’s toolbox. Here are five players to make them reconsider: http://thehockeywriters.com/5-players-every-gm-should-offer-sheet/ Edited June 1, 2015 by papazoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) RFAs I would be interested in and what I would offer: Offer together: Tyler Toffoli (RW - LAK) - 5 years, $23M (first and third) Martin Jones (G - LA) - 3 years, $2M (second) This likely forces LA to choose one or the other. They probably choose Toffoli. Jakob Silfverberg (RW - ANA) - 4 years, $14M (second) Brandon Saad (RW - CHI) - 5 years, $25M (first and third) Dougie Hamilton (D - BOS) - 6 years, $36M (two firsts, second and third) Gustav Nyquist (RW - DET) - 4 years, $20M (first and third) Vlad Tarasenko (RW - STL) - 2 years, $20M (four first) - I don't know why but go crazy. Don't think I would actually do this, but it might take something like this. Mikkel Boedker (RW - ARZ) - 3 years, $9.5M (second) Craig Smith (RW - NSH) - 3 years, $9.5M (second) Alex Galchenyuk (C - MTL) - 3 years, $11M (second) make them prove they do value him in some way Shane Prince (LW - OTT) - 2 years, $2.2M (no compensation) Those including first-round compensation I would likely only do if Murray makes other big moves in free agency/trades before the RFA action picks up. It'd be great if Buffalo went for Tofolli, but LA will probably try to keep him. Saad is the next guy I'd want the Sabres to go after. Just trying to think realistically. LA and Chicago are rather tight against the cap. Boston is also close to the cap, so Hamilton would be a great addition, but Buffalo would have to give up too many quality draft picks. However, if the Sabres acquired Hamilton I wouldn't mind it at all if the 21st pick, Grigs and Zadorov were sent to Colorado for ROR. Just my thoughts. Out of the three mentioned Saad seems to be the most likely to happen. Let me stress this is my "fantasy hockey" opinion. Edited June 1, 2015 by GoPre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherman Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 RFAs I would be interested in and what I would offer: Offer together: Tyler Toffoli (RW - LAK) - 5 years, $23M (first and third) Martin Jones (G - LA) - 3 years, $2M (second) This likely forces LA to choose one or the other. They probably choose Toffoli. Jakob Silfverberg (RW - ANA) - 4 years, $14M (second) Brandon Saad (RW - CHI) - 5 years, $25M (first and third) Dougie Hamilton (D - BOS) - 6 years, $36M (two firsts, second and third) Gustav Nyquist (RW - DET) - 4 years, $20M (first and third) Vlad Tarasenko (RW - STL) - 2 years, $20M (four first) - I don't know why but go crazy. Don't think I would actually do this, but it might take something like this. Mikkel Boedker (RW - ARZ) - 3 years, $9.5M (second) Craig Smith (RW - NSH) - 3 years, $9.5M (second) Alex Galchenyuk (C - MTL) - 3 years, $11M (second) make them prove they do value him in some way Shane Prince (LW - OTT) - 2 years, $2.2M (no compensation) Those including first-round compensation I would likely only do if Murray makes other big moves in free agency/trades before the RFA action picks up. Before we go the offer sheet route I hope they have trade discussions. The rate on a goalie last year was a third so if there is any way we can trade a third for Jones or Talbot I would do it. Both LA and Rangers have cap issues and some FA/RFAs they need to lock up. Also, I think Chicago will be very proactive to get rid of either Sharp or Bickell and maybe even both so they don't lose Saad this year. I'd take either or both for the right package. I think going the trade route can be a win win scenario and build relationships with other GMS while the offer sheet would do the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Ok Hoss, I'm not understanding. What keeps the Sabres from offering Nyqvist or Toffoli 8m for one year? Tarasenko 10m for one year? Minimum length of an offer sheet? Good sportsmanship? doubtful players would sign a 1 year contract. Just because you offer a player a contract doesn't mean he'll sign it Edited June 1, 2015 by nucci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Hossa carries little risk for any team that wants to trade for him because Chicago would be the one on the hook for his cap evasion penalty since they were the ones to sign him to his current contract and they reaped the benefits of his cap hit being lower than his actual salary. If we traded for him now and he retired in say 2 or 3 years it wouldn't really hurt us at all and it would cripple them which is why they can't trade him and why we couldn't trade Ehrhoff. Thanks for clarifying my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Chicago's biggest issue is that those older players we keep mentioning like Sharp and Hossa, they have NMC and NTC attached to their contracts which muddies the waters of any potential trade partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 doubtful players would sign a 1 year contract. Just because you offer a player a contract doesn't mean he'll sign it No, I wasn't understanding the division by 5 year clause. Hoss answered the question. It's in place so you can't offer a player a long contract so you can avoid paying with draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 New RFA thresholds posted by Paul Hamilton just now: So: if the Sabres were to offer Tarasenko $9.1MM x 6 years -- would STL match? (Probably, but I'd love to see it happen.) STL's biggest contract right now is Pietrangelo getting $45MM ($6.5MM x 7 years), followed by Stastny getting $28MM ($7MM x 4 years). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I think the Blues match any offer. Even if they go nuts on something like a 7 year, $70M deal. Thanks for posting that, though, Freeman. Updating the first post with those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Are most people really willing to risk next year's #1 already? I need to see significant roster moves before I'm ready to lose it via offer sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Are most people really willing to risk next year's #1 already? I need to see significant roster moves before I'm ready to lose it via offer sheet. You wouldn't trade it for Tarasenko? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 You wouldn't trade it for Tarasenko? I don't want to pay a winger $9 million in addition to significant asset forfeiture. I, like Hoss, also don't think the Blues are especially vulnerable to an offer sheet. LA and Toffoli should be the target because it might work. And I'm still not paying a winger $9 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 LA and Chicago will be the most vulnerable. Remember that a team can match an offer sheet and then move assets to fit under the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 I don't want to pay a winger $9 million in addition to significant asset forfeiture. I, like Hoss, also don't think the Blues are especially vulnerable to an offer sheet. LA and Toffoli should be the target because it might work. And I'm still not paying a winger $9 million. And just imagine what we may have to pay out in three years when both Eichel and Reinhart are up for new contracts. I'm sure we will get them done before they become RFAs, but man it could get ugly fast if they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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