woods-racer Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Toronto isn't catching us. No way. They're going to win some games if for no other reason than Kessel isn't only scoring 5 over the final 28 like he has the previous. I hope your right, it would be Hockey God karma to do that to us, ruin our run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I want you to be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I want you to be right. They'd have to go winless the rest of the year to even have a chance. Derrico: self-professed wuss. Tank: wuss. Physics: shockingly, a closet wuss. Robviously: I think he actually enjoys being a wuss. Toughen up people! :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) Derrico is only a wuss because he knows I get to change his offseason avatar when the Sabres win the CHL to this Edited February 13, 2015 by WildCard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) Close. You've explained the 'magic number' so to speak. Which for the 1st place team is equivalent to the RPTC. It will almost always be more than the RPTC for the others, but not absolutely always. (Right? ;)) And once again, to clinch (which is what RPTC measures), you need only to lock in 1 point better than 2nd. It only concerns your team and 2nd place. :lol: This will be my last post on the matter but it's still not right. If you get one more point than 2nd place at the end of the day then you're first. BUT if you're 3rd and get enough points to get more points than the team in second then that team becomes third, and making you second... It doesn't just concern you and the second place team. The first place team will exist until they're no longer first which can only happen if you get more points than them. Meow. Edited February 13, 2015 by Tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 This will be my last post on the matter but it's still not right. If you get one more point than 2nd place at the end of the day then you're first. BUT if you're 3rd and get enough points to get more points than the team in second then that team becomes third, and making you second... It doesn't just concern you and the second place team. The first place team will exist until they're no longer first which can only happen if you get more points than them. Meow. If the '3rd place team' has more points than the '2nd place team,' are they not, in fact, the '2nd place team?' AND where exactly would that place a team with more points than your '3rd place team' can end the year with? Hmmmmmm. ;) 2nd place is set, the team holding that position isn't. HAVING 1 more point than #2 can get by definition gives you 1st. You appear to want it to be harder than that, but it really isn't. :) I.e. if the 3rd place team could get more than the 2nd place team, then it is the 'actual' 2nd place team and someone w/ 1 more point than they can get IS in 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 This discussion is as entertaining as a sabre game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) If the '3rd place team' has more points than the '2nd place team,' are they not, in fact, the '2nd place team?' AND where exactly would that place a team with more points than your '3rd place team' can end the year with? Hmmmmmm. ;) Where would a team that finishes better than the third place team finish? Second. Unless they also passed the team in first. I don't really understand what you're missing here. Your argument is that, by definition, you finish first if you are a point ahead of the second place team. That's true as a basic point, but that's only if you ignore that passing the second place team in the standings only moves you into second while the second place team falls to third. Finishing ahead of Edmonton DOES NOT guarantee first place in this. You need to finish ahead of the most points the current first place team could possibly get to clinch it. Say the Sabres win out and get to 129... Then the Oilers win out and get to 123... Your RPTC get teams to 124... So if that all happens the team that gets to 124 only clinches second place. Get it now? (No love lost, my tanking friend) Edited February 14, 2015 by Tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Current standings through games played 2/12. Team GP L W OT PT MPP PR RPTC Buffalo 55 36 16 3 75 129 54 49 Edmonton 56 31 16 9 71 123 52 53 Arizona 55 28 20 7 63 117 54 61 Toronto 56 29 23 4 62 114 52 62 Carolina 53 27 19 7 61 119 58 63 New Jersey 54 24 21 9 57 113 56 67 Columbus 52 26 23 3 55 115 60 71 Philadelphia 54 22 23 9 53 109 56 69 MPP = Maximum Possible Points PR = Points Remaining RPTC = Remaining Points needed to Clinch 1st Place (will necessarily be > than PR for all (w/ likely exception of team currently in 1st)) BJ's, Joisey, & Desert Dogs in action tonight. Arizona loses all their remaining games and is awarded 7 magic "Darcy points" to achieve their 61 "Remaining points to clinch" they finish with 124. Meanwhile, buffalo goes 25-2 and earns 50, they finish with 125. Edited February 14, 2015 by Glass Case Of Emotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Tank, on 13 Feb 2015 - 7:09 PM, said: Where would a team that finishes better than the third place team finish? Second. Unless they also passed the team in first. I don't really understand what you're missing here. Your argument is that, by definition, you finish first if you are a point ahead of the second place team. That's true as a basic point, but that's only if you ignore that passing the second place team in the standings only moves you into second while the second place team falls to third. Finishing ahead of Edmonton DOES NOT guarantee first place in this. You need to finish ahead of the most points the current first place team could possibly get to clinch it. Say the Sabres win out and get to 129... Then the Oilers win out and get to 123... Your RPTC get teams to 124... So if that all happens the team that gets to 124 only clinches second place. Get it now? :lol: Didn't get that "last post on the matter right" either. ;) As has been stated several times RPTC is 1 more than whatever the 2nd most MPP is MINUS what you currently have. It is extremely simple. Discounting GC's 'magic points' how many teams can get to 124? Glass Case Of Emotion, on 13 Feb 2015 - 7:09 PM, said: Arizona loses all their remaining games and is awarded 7 magic "Darcy points" to achieve their 61 "Remaining points to clinch" they finish with 124. Meanwhile, buffalo goes 25-2 and earns 50, they finish with 125. Well, IF the Desert Dogs COULD get to 124 while Buffalo can get to 129, THEN RPTC for Buffalo would be 50 rather than 49 and it would be 62 for the Desert Dogs. Nice attempt to get Tank even more confused. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) :lol: Didn't get that "last post on the matter right" either. ;) As has been stated several times RPTC is 1 more than whatever the 2nd most MPP is MINUS what you currently have. It is extremely simple. Discounting GC's 'magic points' how many teams can get to 124? Well, IF the Desert Dogs COULD get to 124 while Buffalo can get to 129, THEN RPTC for Buffalo would be 50 rather than 49 and it would be 62 for the Desert Dogs. Nice attempt to get Tank even more confused. :lol: I just think that's tanks thinking, I think both methodologies are valid, tank's might be more traditional, but you guys are the Carrion Commissioners, so I'll leave it to you to sort out. I might suggest these guys to help you find your way together: http://www.couplescounseling.biz/ Edited February 14, 2015 by Glass Case Of Emotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Is 124 an arbitrary number? Do I have to re-read several pages of this thread to find out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Is 124 an arbitrary number? Do I have to re-read several pages of this thread to find out?It is not arbitrary, but it is transient. When the Eulers drop any points, it will decrease an equivalent amount. It is the 2nd highest MPP+1, which currently is the Eulers' 123 + 1 = 124. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I will be glad when this clusterphuck of a thread is history. It's literally painful to read most of the time. GO SABRES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I will be glad when this clusterphuck of a thread is history. It's literally painful to read most of the time. GO SABRES!!! T'is the gift that keeps givin', idin't it? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Taro T, on 13 Feb 2015 - 7:54 PM, said: It is not arbitrary, but it is transient. When the Eulers drop any points, it will decrease an equivalent amount. It is the 2nd highest MPP+1, which currently is the Eulers' 123 + 1 = 124. ...or whomever is in second. And for every CHL loss, that number goes down by two, meaning the RPTC goes down by two. Adding the one to the second place team's MPP ensures the clinch. This makes total sense. That post before you answered mine made all of it clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 How about when we go with Lindback-Hackett in net to close out the year? Even if Neuvirth isn't traded, he's bound to get hurt. Neuvirth gets hurt or traded within the next month and even I say it's over. Derrico is only a wuss because he knows I get to change his offseason avatar when the Sabres win the CHL to this HAHAHAHA, so you didn't forget about that? I'll own it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 HAHAHAHA, so you didn't forget about that? I'll own it. Good man. It's undecided if it's this one or a few other finalists I have lined up :flirt: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Good man. It's undecided if it's this one or a few other finalists I have lined up :flirt: Please be kind haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Current standings through games played 2/13. Team GP L W OT PT MPP PR RPTC Buffalo 55 36 16 3 75 129 54 49 Edmonton 56 31 16 9 71 123 52 53 Arizona 56 29 20 7 65 117 52 59 Toronto 56 29 23 4 62 114 52 62 Carolina 53 27 19 7 61 119 58 63 New Jersey 55 25 21 9 59 115 54 67 Columbus 53 26 24 3 55 113 58 71 Philadelphia 55 22 23 10 54 108 54 67 MPP = Maximum Possible Points PR = Points Remaining RPTC = Remaining Points needed to Clinch 1st Place (will necessarily be > than PR for all (w/ likely exception of team currently in 1st)) Big day tomorrow. Everybody but Buffalo and Filly in action. Buffalo hosts Phlyers on Sunday. No potential 1 pointers. Edited February 14, 2015 by Taro T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Much as the team has been unenjoyable to watch, it's very odd that they've ended up with 4 days off in the middle of Feb. for no apparent reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Arizona loses all their remaining games and is awarded 7 magic "Darcy points" to achieve their 61 "Remaining points to clinch" they finish with 124. Meanwhile, buffalo goes 25-2 and earns 50, they finish with 125. You're on to something here. Maybe RPTC should be renamed "Darcy Points" or "Darcy Number". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I leave for a few days and this thread turns into an Aspy fight. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I leave for a few days and this thread turns into an Aspy fight. :) You owe me a new keyboard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 This discussion is as entertaining as a sabre game. I take umbrage with this. This thread is way more entertaining than a Sabre game. Much as the team has been unenjoyable to watch, it's very odd that they've ended up with 4 days off in the middle of Feb. for no apparent reason. It's 'cus everybody new that Murray was going to pull off the trade of the century and we all needed a cool down period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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