Trettioåtta Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I wonder if the Murray phone call about Hodgson, was from Columbus for Horton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I wonder if the Murray phone call about Hodgson, was from Columbus for Horton? If it was he would have done it no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 If it was he would have done it no? Trading him for less than nothing? Maybe not. He did lead the team in points last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 They can buy Hodgson out for considerably less than they were paying Horton. I don't think they will. He's terrible, but he's just too young for the entire league to think he's gone Leino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 They can buy Hodgson out for considerably less than they were paying Horton. I don't think they will. He's terrible, but he's just too young for the entire league to think he's gone Leino. Caphit vs no caphit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Caphit vs no caphit Isn't the cap hit on a Hodgson less than $1 million and isn't Horton owed $25 million? I wouldn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Isn't the cap hit on a Hodgson less than $1 million and isn't Horton owed $25 million? I wouldn't do it. yea but Horton would stay on LTIR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Isn't the cap hit on a Hodgson less than $1 million and isn't Horton owed $25 million? I wouldn't do it. If you are on an internal budget, i'd rather pay a player $4 mil to play, rather than $5 mil to sit on the sofa. In return, Sabres get $4 mil of cap space for the cost of $5 million dollars Edited February 27, 2015 by ThirtyEight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Sabres give up $12 million (difference between Horton contract and a Hodgson buyout) to save a cap hit of less than a million? I know Pegula can just drill another well, but I sure wouldn't be doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Sabres give up $12 million (difference between Horton contract and a Hodgson buyout) to save a cap hit of less than a million? I know Pegula can just drill another well, but I sure wouldn't be doing that. LTIR doesn't count against the cap. Ok I see what you are saying. Surely CoHo's buyout caphit is more like $2 mil per year for 10 years? Edited February 27, 2015 by ThirtyEight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 According to this article, http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2352174-buffalo-sabres-is-cody-hodgson-a-legitimate-buyout-candidate the buyout cost the Sabres $800,000 cap space for eight years. Longer than I would have thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Hodgson isn't getting bought out, he's getting a new coach...and then traded once he resuscitates his value. Edited February 27, 2015 by TrueBluePhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesportsbuff Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I doubt Hodgson gets bought out. I'm sure it's been discussed, but what do you guys think will be the return on Stewart? My friends think I'm crazy for holding out hope for a late 1st round pick, but I don't know. Gaustad got us a first round pick. Sekera just got the Canes a 1st + a prospect. I think somebody will overpay for a big physical power forward who plays in the top 6 and can score goals. Might be a little streaky, but teams will hope that hot streak comes in the playoffs. The longer TM holds on to him the more desperate teams will get. Am I crazy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLaLaFontaine Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I doubt Hodgson gets bought out. I'm sure it's been discussed, but what do you guys think will be the return on Stewart? My friends think I'm crazy for holding out hope for a late 1st round pick, but I don't know. Gaustad got us a first round pick. Sekera just got the Canes a 1st + a prospect. I think somebody will overpay for a big physical power forward who plays in the top 6 and can score goals. Might be a little streaky, but teams will hope that hot streak comes in the playoffs. The longer TM holds on to him the more desperate teams will get. Am I crazy? I think you have a point here. The Sekera trade really showed what might be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 yea but Horton would stay on LTIR. The only benefit to Horton's LTIR happens if you spend all the way to cap. It should be at least three years till the Sabres get there so the benefit to Buffalo is not near to where it is for Toronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 The only benefit to Horton's LTIR happens if you spend all the way to cap. It should be at least three years till the Sabres get there so the benefit to Buffalo is not near to where it is for Toronto. It's cap minus what the player's salary is. So if the salary is $5.5M and you're $5.5M under the cap then you don't get the relief. But if you're $3M below the cap and his salary is $5.5M then you get the relief. I doubt Hodgson gets bought out. I'm sure it's been discussed, but what do you guys think will be the return on Stewart? My friends think I'm crazy for holding out hope for a late 1st round pick, but I don't know. Gaustad got us a first round pick. Sekera just got the Canes a 1st + a prospect. I think somebody will overpay for a big physical power forward who plays in the top 6 and can score goals. Might be a little streaky, but teams will hope that hot streak comes in the playoffs. The longer TM holds on to him the more desperate teams will get. Am I crazy? I do think there's a chance. It depends on who they're talking to. I don't think they get it from Boston. But if teams more towards the top are interested it's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I think Murray is holding out for a first or a Subban-level prospect and is willing to add in order to make it happen. Given what we've seen in the Kane, Fasching and Miller deals, Murray is not afraid to get complicated or go big. It may be less about selling Stewart to the highest better and more about moving pieces in order to get someone he has targeted. I'm pretty sure the Fasching deal came about through the Moulson rental talks, even though Moulson never ended up going to LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 I think Murray is holding out for a first or a Subban-level prospect and is willing to add in order to make it happen. Given what we've seen in the Kane, Fasching and Miller deals, Murray is not afraid to get complicated or go big. It may be less about selling Stewart to the highest better and more about moving pieces in order to get someone he has targeted. I'm pretty sure the Fasching deal came about through the Moulson rental talks, even though Moulson never ended up going to LA. He also isn't afraid to 'lose' a deal either. So he may well be willing to give up more to get something that he sees as value - he clearly doesn't rate picks all that highly in comparison to a more complete prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) The mystery deal the Blackhawks said they were close to was Kimmo Timonen from the Flyers, by the way. They are still looking to acquire a forward. John Shannon of sportsnet said they're looking at Antoine Vermette and Sam Gagner. Edited February 28, 2015 by Tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 So Chicago and Boston are chasing Vermette. Once he falls, Stewart c/should be in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 IKP might be onto something Chris Kuc @ChrisKuc 37s 37 seconds ago Source: #Blackhawks and Capitals have had dialogue about possible trade involving Patrick Sharp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Building from the wings---->in huh Caps? It's a bold strategy, I'll give you that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Building from the wings---->in huh Caps? It's a bold strategy, I'll give you that Their top two centres are Backstrom and Kuznetsov - not too shabby really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Their top two centres are Backstrom and Kuznetsov - not too shabby really Backstrom is a solid #1 guy, I don't know much about Kuznetsov. Young guy at 22, spent a lot of time in the KHL; his production isn't great this year though, 6-18-24. It's only his second year in the league though Edited February 28, 2015 by WildComrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 A Sharp deal probably could've included Mike Green before the Hawks landed Timonen. Now? Probably has to include an NHL forward. Joel Ward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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