26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 @BillHoppeNHL Early, but Johan Larsson and Mikhail Grigirenko appear to be the spare forwards. #Sabres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 So I guess those colors make the lines. Stafford back on the top line, Grigorenko fighting for playing time. Some things don't change. :( Mike Harrington @BNHarrington Extras for #Sabres appear to be Zadorov-McBain-Larsson and ... Grigorenko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I am a Cody fan; I think it's ridiculous the ###### he gets given the fact he has been one of our most effective players in this disaster of a season. I also think he needs to learn that it's not good enough to just be in the right position; there are times when you need to push ahead of your opponent, to beat him with your body instead of always waiting to outsmart him. That Roy quote about Girgorenko not realizing how much harder he is capable of working applies Hodgson as well. I generally agree, but it sounds like you also agree that he hasn't gotten to where he needs to get, yes? And that there are long stretches where his line is completely ineffective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Nolan's practice today - any meaning to the groupings? Random? In GOLD: Moulson-Hodgson-Stafford-Larsson WHITE: Girgensons-Ennis-Grigorenko-Ott GREEN: Leino-Foligno-Flynn BLUE: Scott-McCormick-Tropp I've been waiting for stuff like this. I bet Nolan threw a bunch of jerseys at them in the locker room and said "Make your own lines". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHawerchuk10 Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I agree the heart was not the primary reason for our record. Talent was and will continue to be. But Rolston seemed incapable of installing that go-through-the-wall-for-each-other, ###### the-world, together-until-the-end mentality. Most of us were prepared to handle losing, just not the soul-sucking, numbing brand of losing we have endured. Nolan's best skill is creating that warrior feeling. That is what will carry the players - and the fans - through this tough rebuild. When I first heard Teddy was coming in the idea left me cold. Retread. Pandering. The game has passed him by. But I am starting to see this as the first of what I hope will be many good decisions by Pat Lafontaine. No one should kid themselves; we will be bad this year, and next year too. Teddy isn't going to fix that. But the years have ground down the hopes of even the most optimistic members of the Sabres family. What the franchise needs most right now is reason to be believe. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it isn't talent either (although I agree we aren't bathed in an overabundance of it). It is just that most of these guys aren't using their talents, which is a subtle difference. I certainly get the impression these guys are overthinking everything, and are too robotic. It can be perceived as a lack of effort or lack of talent, but it really is a lack of instinct. I have no delusions of grandeur, but someone who is not an X's and O's guy leading the charge might just be the perfect tonic. It might not lead to many more wins, but a more entertaining product. I am really keen to see how Myers starts to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 @BNHarrington The lines are Moulson-Hodgson-Stafford, Ott-Ennis-Girgensons, Leino-Foligno-Flynn and Scott-McCormick-Tropp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 So I guess those colors make the lines. Stafford back on the top line, Grigorenko fighting for playing time. Some things don't change. :( Mike Harrington @BNHarrington Extras for #Sabres appear to be Zadorov-McBain-Larsson and ... Grigorenko. Oh, the humanity. The dream has turned into a nightmare, already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Leaving aside the cryptic "Meh"s, I think you may be getting too caught up in Hodgy's numbers (such as they are). He clearly has had a disappointing season. He may not be playing quite as badly as some of his teammates, but he's certainly not earned a pass from anyone. I like my mehs! :P He's bad defensively, yes, and that's exacerbated by being a #2 tasked with playing as a #1. There's nobody else on the team that can be put in the situations he is and produce the way he is, and he's going to be the whipping boy? I think it's insane. I'm not giving him a pass, but there's about 10 other guys I'd put in the doghouse before him, regardless of how much he or they "battle". As far as paying too much attention to the numbers goes, I don't know, I think Larsson needs to get more ice time and will be quite annoyed if he's benched, and he's not producing a damn thing offensively. So I'd like to think I'm not a slave to raw point production...but on a team that can't score, I'm okay with an offensive specialist who is actually managing to create offense, even if his game has some serious deficiencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 @BillHoppeNHL Sabres already practicing with more tempo and noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I generally agree, but it sounds like you also agree that he hasn't gotten to where he needs to get, yes? And that there are long stretches where his line is completely ineffective? Yep I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it isn't talent either (although I agree we aren't bathed in an overabundance of it). It is just that most of these guys aren't using their talents, which is a subtle difference. I certainly get the impression these guys are overthinking everything, and are too robotic. It can be perceived as a lack of effort or lack of talent, but it really is a lack of instinct. I have no delusions of grandeur, but someone who is not an X's and O's guy leading the charge might just be the perfect tonic. It might not lead to many more wins, but a more entertaining product. I am really keen to see how Myers starts to play. Great observation. I hope you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 @BNHarrington The lines are Moulson-Hodgson-Stafford, Ott-Ennis-Girgensons, Leino-Foligno-Flynn and Scott-McCormick-Tropp. My hope is Sacco is still heavily influencing these given that Nolan doesn't know anyone really, and they aren't a preview of things to come. Oh, the humanity. The dream has turned into a nightmare, already. Unless Ted Nolan underwent some sort of bizarre transformation, I don't anticipate Grigorenko's situation improving much. Time for the tranquilizers my friend :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 My hope is Sacco is still heavily influencing these given that Nolan doesn't know anyone really, and they aren't a preview of things to come. Unless Ted Nolan underwent some sort of bizarre transformation, I don't anticipate Grigorenko's situation improving much. Time for the tranquilizers my friend :P If this is a preview of things to come, then it's time for Larsson to Roch, Grigs to the Q, and Baby Z to London. No sense in having those guys in the Press Box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Unless Ted Nolan underwent some sort of bizarre transformation, I don't anticipate Grigorenko's situation improving much. Time for the tranquilizers my friend :P I really believe that Nolan will be very good for Grigorenko. It will take time. I posted that I believe it will be good for him to be coached at this level like he was in Quebec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I really believe that Nolan will be very good for Grigorenko. It will take time. I posted that I believe it will be good for him to be coached at this level like he was in Quebec. This sounds reasonable. Griggy needs something, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) This sounds reasonable. Griggy needs something, that's for sure. To not be 19years old and in the NHL on a team completely devoid of center talent or veteran leadership? Edited November 14, 2013 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 @BNHarrington The lines are Moulson-Hodgson-Stafford, Ott-Ennis-Girgensons, Leino-Foligno-Flynn and Scott-McCormick-Tropp. My take from this (and from remembering back to the Nolan days of the mid-90's) is he wants his checking line to be a checking line (i.e. none of this mixing scorers with checkers stuff), and he sees that young guys like Grigo and Z aren't ready for prime time yet. He put his three best scorers at each position on the top line... for good or bad, when you look at who we have at RW, the only one with any history of scoring in this league is Stafford. I kind of like the Ott - Ennis - Girgs line. Not sure what to make of Leino - Foligno - Flynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) I really believe that Nolan will be very good for Grigorenko. It will take time. I posted that I believe it will be good for him to be coached at this level like he was in Quebec. Here's to you being right. :beer: @ChrisRyndak Girgensons doing work at center between Ott and Ennis. #sabres Edited November 14, 2013 by 26CornerBlitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Do Grigo and Z ever get a chance to put what they learned in the press box into practice? They might as well be playing NHL14 this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 My take from this (and from remembering back to the Nolan days of the mid-90's) is he wants his checking line to be a checking line (i.e. none of this mixing scorers with checkers stuff), and he sees that young guys like Grigo and Z aren't ready for prime time yet. He put his three best scorers at each position on the top line... for good or bad, when you look at who we have at RW, the only one with any history of scoring in this league is Stafford. I kind of like the Ott - Ennis - Girgs line. Not sure what to make of Leino - Foligno - Flynn. I see no checking line in those line combinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I see no checking line in those line combinations. Scott - McCormick - Tropp ...ain't no way that line scores a goal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 @BuffaloSabres "What happened in the first 20 games is over with, it's done." -Nolan, who adds every player stat starts at zero #Sabres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Scott - McCormick - Tropp ...ain't no way that line scores a goal! Haha, this is true. When I think checking line, I think matching it up against the other team's top line, not just going out there and hitting people ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 @BuffaloSabres "What happened in the first 20 games is over with, it's done." -Nolan, who adds every player stat starts at zero #Sabres At least they don't have to roll the odometer back too far for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) Per twitter, Nolan reportedly busted out the 4 corners drill at practice today... I didn't know what that was, so I looked it up... Edited November 14, 2013 by Potato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Per twitter, Nolan reportedly busted out the 4 corners drill at practice today... I didn't know what that was, so I looked it up... Pretty sure we played that as a game at middle school roller skating parties, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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