North Buffalo Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 I'd like to see Stafford traded too, but unless he has become a disruptive force in the locker room, I wouldn't consider this for a moment. He is disruptive by his lack of??? "care," His attitude is infectious. If you don't want him down, put him on the fourth line, the checking line and replace him with Ellis. See if that wakes him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 The bugger seems like he back to his old tricks, wanting to be Mr. Hollywood. Acting a lot like an old Canadian drunk.... that scruffy excuse for a beard got me wondering if he isn't, especially with his up and down performance. Someone ought to give him a drug test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Philadelphia has an average age of something like 23 or 24 years of age, they're only going to get better. Not for nothing, but people were saying the same thing about Buffalo 4-5 years ago since the Sabres were winning games with the much younger 'core' back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 You call an average of 16 goals, never a minus player, and what would be the leading cumulative hit total among Buffalo forwards since leaving Lindy's system....for $1 million a year a waste of space? Playing on 2 successful teams, never really been irresponsible in his own end but soft and never broken 20 goals, I'd rather take Tropp, Ellis, Mcormick, or any tough hard nosed 4th liner. Too much history with him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresnutinphoenix Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 To get a big name gut (i.e. Thornton), I think it would take a 3 team type trade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Rutherford always looking to deal, and I'd like to get Ruutu in here but not sure what it would take going the other way. I remember last year during one of the Canes Sabres games here they put on the scoreboard that the only NHL team that the Hartford/Carolina franchise has not traded with is Buffalo. That can't possibly be true and is just more lame anti-Buffalo schtick from the Canes scoreboard guy, but I do think the part of us never completing a trade with them is true. I don't remember one, does anyone else? I think that was 2 years ago and it said no former or current member of Hartford/Carolina has ever played for Buffalo and vice versa. It's not the case anymore though now that they traded Kaberle for Spacek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 I think that was 2 years ago and it said no former or current member of Hartford/Carolina has ever played for Buffalo and vice versa. It's not the case anymore though now that they traded Kaberle for Spacek. If it said that, it was wrong. Randy Cunneyworth played for Buffalo and Hartford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Some interesting names on the 2012 UFA list. Parise Doan Ruutu, Tuomo Stoll Jagr Hejduk Jokinen Grabovsky Koivu, Saku Brunette Holmstrom Interesting names to try to swing. Some center depth in that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Some interesting names on the 2012 UFA list. Parise Doan Ruutu, Tuomo Stoll Jagr Hejduk Jokinen Grabovsky Koivu, Saku Brunette Holmstrom Interesting names to try to swing. Some center depth in that list. There is room on this team for Parise, Stoll, Doan and Grabovsky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 There is room on this team for Parise, Stoll, Doan and Grabovsky. Two centers and two leaders. Hmmmm....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Two centers and two leaders. Hmmmm....... All it would take is some creative contract work and some trimming of dead weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 I thought this one up earlier but figured it'd be a foolish scenario to post. Miller for Howard Cleary and a first? Too much? too little? Trading Ryan would certainly send the message everyone wants to send. Not sure i like the trade idea myself but hey, it's an idea. And then, we get to watch another one of our goalies win the Cup with Detroit... Roy, MAG, prospect to Vancouver for Ryan Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 I'm sorry, but I think the jig is up, folks. NO player is gonna want to play for Buffalo until this career-killing coach is gone, along with the locker room cancers we got here. And honestly, why would we wanna see that happen to any more players? Leave them where they are, for their sakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 I'm sorry, but I think the jig is up, folks. NO player is gonna want to play for Buffalo until this career-killing coach is gone, along with the locker room cancers we got here. And honestly, why would we wanna see that happen to any more players? Leave them where they are, for their sakes. Yeah, they had a lot of trouble recruiting players over the summer. Stay on point; there's a whole thread for that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Yeah, they had a lot of trouble recruiting players over the summer. Stay on point; there's a whole thread for that stuff. +1 EDIT: Just realised, aren't we still missing a top line center? (thinking Stafford + Leopold for someone like Thornton or Staal, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Since we're playing this game just found this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/989882-nhl-trade-speculation-22-important-players-that-will-be-deadline-trade-bait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Since we're playing this game just found this: http://bleacherrepor...line-trade-bait I hate Bleacher Report slideshows. But it's not like I've got anything else to do, so I went through it. Stafford is in there, with a link to this article by Spector: http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/43680-Rumor-Focus-Buffalo-Sabres.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Roy is mentioned in there too. As far as players coming to Buffalo, Limey's link mentions Stastny (and implies that he could be had with a first-round pick being the main consideration), Parise (as expected), Ryan, and Nash. It also mentions Gomez, which is a reminder that sometimes, the best deal is the deal not made. I'd still like to see some changes, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesportsbuff Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 <p> <br />All it would take is some creative contract work and some trimming of dead weight.<br /> </p><p> </p> <p>I don't know about that. Goose, Hecht, and Boyes are all UFA... if NONE of them re-sign, we only clear up ~10 million of cap space. I think one of Hecht/Goose will be re-signed but for the sake of this discussion I'll assume they aren't...</p> <p> </p> <p>Parise will be between 6 and 6.5 mil, if not more due to the inflation of free agency bidding wars. In order of priority, I would focus on Doan next, who probably won't demand top tier money, but there will certainly be a lot of interest in him if he decides to leave Phoenix. He's at least another 4 mil. That's all the cap space we cleared up right there.</p> <p> </p> <p>Dump some dead weight? Sure. We could possibly move Stafford's 4 million for a draft pick or something. Stoll would likely eat at least 3.5 of that up based on his past resume, but he's having an awful year and in my opinion that is a risky signing. It does address our center depth, which will be lacking with the loss of Gaustad & Hecht.</p> <p> </p> <p>Regardless, that leaves absolutely not enough room for Grabovski, who A.) more than likely won't reach UFA status to begin with, and B.) will be looking at the 4.5-5 million range if he does. Since Buffalo doesn't have enough cap room to sign him, and nobody is going to take Ville Leino off our hands, the only "feasible" (and I use that term loosely) solution would be to move Derek Roy's contract to sign Grabovski..</p> <p> </p> <p>So at the end of day, you add a star player in Parise to play with Vanek, and a nice veteran leader in Doan. You also lost three "centers" (if you count Boyes) to free agency and traded away a fourth (Roy), along with Stafford, for virtually nothing since you would not be able to take any contracts back in return... in favor of a star player (<img src="http://forums.sabrespace.com/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif" /> ), a veteran leader (<img src="http://forums.sabrespace.com/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif" /> ), and two inconsistent centers, who will also be the ONLY two centers on your roster (<img src="http://forums.sabrespace.com/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif" /> ).. unless, of course, Gerbe can play center!</p> <p> </p> <p>Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to signing Parise or Doan, but to suggest that signing all four of these guys via free agency would take nothing more than "creative contract work" and trimming of dead weight, well... reality check: it's not gonna happen. That idea is more ridiculous than some of the trade proposals that we all whine about people posting. Especially when you consider that Ennis is due for a slight raise and Myers $5.5 million cap hit goes into effect next year, which pretty much nullifies half of what I typed above as far as clearing up cap space anyway. There is just not enough room.</p> <p> </p> <p>However! </p> <p> </p> <p>That isn't to say that NOTHING can be done, but it's quite complicated..</p> <p> </p> <p>I'm going to state the obvious and say that Parise needs to be the prime target this July. Of course, 20-some other teams are going to head into free agency with the same mindset. Maybe Pegula will have work his magic again. But despite the lack of depth at center, Parise would be a versatile forward to add to the group. First and foremost, it's another star player to play with Vanek and hopefully propel him to new heights. But given the way Vanek has played with Pominville most of the season, it could be more beneficial to sneak Parise into a second line role and try and have two bonafide scoring lines. I'm sure it's been brought up in this thread already, but perhaps adding one of his long-time friends and former college line mates could really motivate Stafford and spark his career. It'd be worth a shot, to me, to hang on to Stafford if the plan is truly to take a run at Parise this July.</p> <p> </p> <p>Basically, though, the Leino signing is going to bite us in the ass. Nobody wants anything to do with that contract and unless he has a stellar second half of the season, it'd be hard to move him for anything. And without moving him, it's NECESSARY to devote a certain amount of dollars to signing at least one center... which means less $$ for Parise and little likelihood of signing Doan.</p> <p> </p> <p>This has run a little long so I'm gonna cut it short here. Summary: Adding Parise makes the team better, but I'm not sure that Stoll and Grabovski are that big of, if any at all, improvement over Gaustad and Roy (especially when $$ are considered). </p> <p> </p> <div id="myEventWatcherDiv" style="display:none;"> </div> <p> </p><p> </p> <p> </p> <p>I don't know about that. Goose, Hecht, and Boyes are all UFA... if NONE of them re-sign, we only clear up ~10 million of cap space. I think one of Hecht/Goose will be re-signed but for the sake of this discussion I'll assume they aren't...</p> <p> </p> <p>Parise will be between 6 and 6.5 mil, if not more due to the inflation of free agency bidding wars. In order of priority, I would focus on Doan next, who probably won't demand top tier money, but there will certainly be a lot of interest in him if he decides to leave Phoenix. He's at least another 4 mil. That's all the cap space we cleared up right there.</p> <p> </p> <p>Dump some dead weight? Sure. We could possibly move Stafford's 4 million for a draft pick or something. Stoll would likely eat at least 3.5 of that up based on his past resume, but he's having an awful year and in my opinion that is a risky signing. It does address our center depth, which will be lacking with the loss of Gaustad & Hecht.</p> <p> </p> <p>Regardless, that leaves absolutely not enough room for Grabovski, who A.) more than likely won't reach UFA status to begin with, and B.) will be looking at the 4.5-5 million range if he does. Since Buffalo doesn't have enough cap room to sign him, and nobody is going to take Ville Leino off our hands, the only "feasible" (and I use that term loosely) solution would be to move Derek Roy's contract to sign Grabovski..</p> <p> </p> <p>So at the end of day, you add a star player in Parise to play with Vanek, and a nice veteran leader in Doan. You also lost three "centers" (if you count Boyes) to free agency and traded away a fourth (Roy), along with Stafford, for virtually nothing since you would not be able to take any contracts back in return... in favor of a star player (<img src="http://forums.sabrespace.com/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif" /> ), a veteran leader (<img src="http://forums.sabrespace.com/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif" /> ), and two inconsistent centers, who will also be the ONLY two centers on your roster (<img src="http://forums.sabrespace.com/public/style_emoticons/default/thumbdown.gif" /> ).. unless, of course, Gerbe can play center!</p> <p> </p> <p>Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to signing Parise or Doan, but to suggest that signing all four of these guys via free agency would take nothing more than "creative contract work" and trimming of dead weight, well... reality check: it's not gonna happen. That idea is more ridiculous than some of the trade proposals that we all whine about people posting. Especially when you consider that Ennis is due for a slight raise and Myers $5.5 million cap hit goes into effect next year, which pretty much nullifies half of what I typed above as far as clearing up cap space anyway. There is just not enough room.</p> <p> </p> <p>However! </p> <p> </p> <p>That isn't to say that NOTHING can be done, but it's quite complicated..</p> <p> </p> <p>I'm going to state the obvious and say that Parise needs to be the prime target this July. Of course, 20-some other teams are going to head into free agency with the same mindset. Maybe Pegula will have work his magic again. But despite the lack of depth at center, Parise would be a versatile forward to add to the group. First and foremost, it's another star player to play with Vanek and hopefully propel him to new heights. But given the way Vanek has played with Pominville most of the season, it could be more beneficial to sneak Parise into a second line role and try and have two bonafide scoring lines. I'm sure it's been brought up in this thread already, but perhaps adding one of his long-time friends and former college line mates could really motivate Stafford and spark his career. It'd be worth a shot, to me, to hang on to Stafford if the plan is truly to take a run at Parise this July.</p> <p> </p> <p>Basically, though, the Leino signing is going to bite us in the ass. Nobody wants anything to do with that contract and unless he has a stellar second half of the season, it'd be hard to move him for anything. And without moving him, it's NECESSARY to devote a certain amount of dollars to signing at least one center... which means less $$ for Parise and little likelihood of signing Doan.</p> <p> </p> <p>This has run a little long so I'm gonna cut it short here. Summary: Adding Parise makes the team better, but I'm not sure that Stoll and Grabovski are that big of, if any at all, improvement over Gaustad and Roy (especially when $$ are considered). </p> <p> </p> <div id="myEventWatcherDiv" style="display:none;"> </div> <p> </p><p> </p> <p>you've gotta be ###### kidding me... i'm not gonna bother fixing all that. good luck to anyone interested enough to try and decode that.</p> <div id="myEventWatcherDiv" style="display:none;"> </div> I give up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 If it said that, it was wrong. Randy Cunneyworth played for Buffalo and Hartford. Yeah it definitely said never traded with and implied they had traded with every other team. Geoff Sanderson would be another who played for both Hartford/Carolina and the Sabres. I think that was 2 years ago and it said no former or current member of Hartford/Carolina has ever played for Buffalo and vice versa. It's not the case anymore though now that they traded Kaberle for Spacek. That might have been a different one, and the current part was probably true at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Yeah, they had a lot of trouble recruiting players over the summer. Stay on point; there's a whole thread for that stuff. They traded for Regehr and no other team in their right mind was going to offer Leino the money the Sabres did. The only player they actually "recruited" was Ehrhoff, and even that took a ton of upfront money. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 They traded for Regehr and no other team in their right mind was going to offer Leino the money the Sabres did. The only player they actually "recruited" was Ehrhoff, and even that took a ton of upfront money. . Actually the only thing that landed them Leino was the front loading of the first two years and Regehr was recruited. You talk about Stoll but his career year, outside of 05/06 was the 20 goals he scored last year. He was here getting the production he's gotten for $3.6 million he would be right behind Stafford and Roy on the get out of town list. For the record, I would like Stoll, Parise and Doan. You can keep Max, I mean Mikael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Roy, MAG, prospect to Vancouver for Ryan Kesler. EDIT: Just realised, aren't we still missing a top line center? (thinking Stafford + Leopold for someone like Thornton or Staal, etc) With LGR not around, I thought the madness would stop! I was wrong. :death: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 With LGR not around, I thought the madness would stop! I was wrong. :death: This is a thread for theoretical trade ideas so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 All it would take is some creative contract work and some trimming of dead weight. I agree that some creative contract work could bring in some players that we need, but I'm afraid of not getting that dead weight trimmed. I have officially jumped onto the "I want to get a new GM" bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 This is a thread for theoretical trade ideas so why not? Actually, I was hoping (and said so in post 1) that it wouldn't devolve into actual trade talk because I knew it would end up in nitpicking and such. the thread was more to discuss ideas for players for the Sabres to consider and their pros/cons. But whatever.... it'll end up in the dirt eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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