Weave Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 The only bigger waste of time might be arguing about hockey with strangers. :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 And for those laughing, i hope you guys know that Jimmy Carter SUPPORTED Osama Bin Laden for about 10 years, during the Soviet invasion. We gave Osama the tools to succeed, money, weapons, and intel. It's very doubtful, a dude who was helped be the USA for 10 years, would just wake up one morning and hate us. There must be something much deeper. Something must of ticked him off. Maybe (i doubt it) i'm wrong, but, he definitely did not wake up one day with a hate towards us. I'd like to point out the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan was in 1980 thru 1989. Carter wasn't exactly president for much of that. On a side note, watch the end of Rambo 3. That movie is all about praising the Taliban and Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I'd like to point out the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan was in 1980 thru 1989. Carter wasn't exactly president for much of that. On a side note, watch the end of Rambo 3. That movie is all about praising the Taliban and Afghanistan. True. They were Reagan's Freedom Fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Am I the only one that thinks there isn't a bigger waste of time than arguing religion and politics with a bunch of strangers, let alone people you know? Most people have strong opinions on the subjects and nobody is going to change their point of view. I will now go back to figuring out how to get Stamkos to Buffalo. :rolleyes: Arguing/debating topics is one of the best ways people can learn. I don't do it often online, but i respect their opinions and their view of point, but learning about current events and the worlds history is much more significant for someone then talking like we're all hot shot general managers of the Buffalo Sabres. Now, i love talking hockey and Sabres, with anyone who would listen, but i also like keep myself educated on the world events. In this thread, it isn't so much "me vs. him", because theres many different view points and different reasons for actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 True. They were Reagan's Freedom Fighters. No. I'd like to point out the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan was in 1980 thru 1989. Carter wasn't exactly president for much of that. On a side note, watch the end of Rambo 3. That movie is all about praising the Taliban and Afghanistan. I'm sure they all look alike to us, but the Afghans fighting the Soviets were not all the same. The Taliban was NOT who were helping during the 1980's. The leader most responsible for defeating the Soviets was Ahmad Massoud, and the Taliban/Al Qaeda made sure to kill him before 9/11. The Taliban didn't even come into power until 1996. After the communist government fell, there was a major power struggle in that country for years that led up to their emergence. And it didn't end when they took power because they were still fighting when 9/11 happened (see: Massoud and the Northern Alliance). Seriously, read some books. This information is out there. I can't believe how many times I've had to listen to someone tell me "We helped the Taliban!! They were our allies!!!!" No, we really didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 No. I'm sure they all look alike to us, but the Afghans fighting the Soviets were not all the same. The Taliban was NOT who were helping during the 1980's. The leader most responsible for defeating the Soviets was Ahmad Massoud, and the Taliban/Al Qaeda made sure to kill him before 9/11. The Taliban didn't even come into power until 1996. After the communist government fell, there was a major power struggle in that country for years that led up to their emergence. And it didn't end when they took power because they were still fighting when 9/11 happened (see: Massoud and the Northern Alliance). Seriously, read some books. This information is out there. I can't believe how many times I've had to listen to someone tell me "We helped the Taliban!! They were our allies!!!!" No, we really didn't. Nope, you got me. The Taliban didn't exist in the 80s. I'd argue, however, that many of the same people were involved. Like saying "Sabres fans didn't exist in the 1960s", it paints an incomplete picture since they all called themselves Bisons fans back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Am I the only one that thinks there isn't a bigger waste of time than arguing religion and politics with a bunch of strangers, let alone people you know? Most people have strong opinions on the subjects and nobody is going to change their point of view. I will now go back to figuring out how to get Stamkos to Buffalo. :rolleyes: If Obama can get Osama than Regier can get Stamkos' booty here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Seriously, read some books. This information is out there. I can't believe how many times I've had to listen to someone tell me "We helped the Taliban!! They were our allies!!!!" No, we really didn't. Well...it's all pretty nebulous really...the Mujahideen was never really one thing...you could make a case that the Taliban came out of the Mujahideen...but it's inexact. The CIA was helping tribal warlords because it was part of our Cold War agenda. Some of those cats had their own agendas too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Nope, you got me. The Taliban didn't exist in the 80s. I'd argue, however, that many of the same people were involved. Like saying "Sabres fans didn't exist in the 1960s", it paints an incomplete picture since they all called themselves Bisons fans back then. Not really. The movement itself didn't start until *after* the Soviet war was over and in response to corruption from the groups that seized power in the wake of that war. And it was a student movement built around religious fanaticism that had little to do with the beliefs of the Afghans fighting the Soviets in the 1980's. So, yes, some of them fought against the Soviets in the 1980's (like Mullah Omar) but the actual philosophy behind that movement didn't exist until after that war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Well...it's all pretty nebulous really...the Mujahideen was never really one thing...you could make a case that the Taliban came out of the Mujahideen...but it's inexact. The CIA was helping tribal warlords because it was part of our Cold War agenda. Some of those cats had their own agendas too. That's exactly what it was. Unfortunately, there was no plan for what to do after the Soviets lost and left. So the country descended into a power struggle and the Afghan government/leadership that took over was corrupt and inept. The Taliban formed in response to that and were initially popular (probably because they seemed "pious" by comparison). They were an unintended consequence of the Afghans defeating the Soviets in the 1980's, but philosophically they didn't have much in common with the guys we were sending weapons to in the 1980's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I'd like to point out the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan was in 1980 thru 1989. Carter wasn't exactly president for much of that. On a side note, watch the end of Rambo 3. That movie is all about praising the Taliban and Afghanistan. So what you're saying is that instead of blaming Carter/Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama, we should really be blaming Stallone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calti Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I'd like to point out the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan was in 1980 thru 1989. Carter wasn't exactly president for much of that. On a side note, watch the end of Rambo 3. That movie is all about praising the Taliban and Afghanistan. they used to be good now they're bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 So what you're saying is that instead of blaming Carter/Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama, we should really be blaming Stallone? Did you see the movie? No way Stallone get away without at least some blame. It was just too hokey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Did you see the movie? No way Stallone get away without at least some blame. It was just too hokey. He made up for it by ending the Cold War at the end of Rocky IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 He made up for it by ending the Cold War at the end of Rocky IV. I never quite got to the end of that one.....so I was probably giving to much credit to James Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I never quite got to the end of that one.....so I was probably giving to much credit to James Brown. I have the exact opposite view of James Brown. I think he basically killed Apollo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 I have the exact opposite view of James Brown. I think he basically killed Apollo. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 I have the exact opposite view of James Brown. I think he basically killed Apollo. I like the way you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR HOLLIDAY Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 We will never know exactly what happened or if it happened or when if happened...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 We will never know exactly what happened or if it happened or when if happened...... Obviously you're referring to Tim Connolly somehow ending up with a black eye after attending Ryan Miller's fashion show for charity last Fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Al-Qaida confirms he's dead. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110506/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_al_qaida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201 ha screw you conspiracy nut-jobs Osama Bin Laden is dead and Al Queda is all pissed off about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201 ha screw you conspiracy nut-jobs Osama Bin Laden is dead and Al Queda is all pissed off about it! No, now they claim that he's alive but being held in a secret prison somewhere. One whack job conspiracy will always be replaced by another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201 ha screw you conspiracy nut-jobs Osama Bin Laden is dead and Al Queda is all pissed off about it! I don't think he ever existed. He's actually Emmanuel Goldstein's cousin and both sides are using him as a propaganda tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 I don't think he ever existed. He's actually Emmanuel Goldstein's cousin and both sides are using him as a propaganda tool. Just about spit out my lunch laughing when I read this...thanks for that HAHA! B-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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