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Korab Rules encouraged me to take the initiative, and I'm taking it. Here's a place for all your Lindy-related arguments. No more digging through GDTs to see where you made that awesome point about Ruff's leadership ability. No more searching through threads about players on other teams to see your well-articulated argument that Lindy would only ruin this player or that. You can put it all right here.

 

Maybe some mod wants to pin this; maybe not. But this is for you, you SabreSpace devotees of the Lindy debate.

 

Perhaps GDTs will now be about the games themselves; perhaps not. I'm hopeful. Maybe naive, but hopeful.

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Thanks for doing this. I will start the ball rolling. I see people who post a lot saying that Lindy sucks, so that makes me think maybe he does suck. But then I watch the sabres, a team with a lot of sucky players, win a lot of games. I see some of those sucky players leave the sabres, and they tend not to do as well as they did when Ruff coached them. I see Ruff get picked as an assistant coach for the Canadian Olympic team, and I think that those guys know a little something about hockey. I see other teams change their coaches and players like I change my underwear, and for the same reasons. They yell a lot, and have fancy hair and ugly ties, but they don't seem to do a better job than Lindy does.

 

I look around, and I don't see any coaches available who seem to be a better option than Ruff. Brian Engblom? Ted Nolan? The usual ferris wheeel of NHL has beens? No thanks.

 

I think we need to change up our core (TC, Pommers and Staff) but leave Lindy behind the bench. I like Lindy. The players are stale, but the message still rings true.

 

Edit: Oh, and we need to immediately upgrade 3 of our defensemen. Lindy doesn't suck, but DR could suck a softball through the proverbial garden hose.

 

Post Edit: We also need a new power play coach who knows something about the power play.

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Thanks for doing this. I will start the ball rolling. I see people who post a lot saying that Lindy sucks, so that makes me think maybe he does suck. But then I watch the sabres, a team with a lot of sucky players, win a lot of games. I see some of those sucky players leave the sabres, and they tend not to do as well as they did when Ruff coached them. I see Ruff get picked as an assistant coach for the Canadian Olympic team, and I think that those guys know a little something about hockey. I see other teams change their coaches and players like I change my underwear, and for the same reasons. They yell a lot, and have fancy hair and ugly ties, but they don't seem to do a better job than Lindy does.

 

I look around, and I don't see any coaches available who seem to be a better option than Ruff. Brian Engblom? Ted Nolan? The usual ferris wheeel of NHL has beens? No thanks.

 

I think we need to change up our core (TC, Pommers and Staff) but leave Lindy behind the bench. I like Lindy. The players are stale, but the message still rings true.

There is a kind of meme that goes around amongst Sabres fans in which players fail to develop under Ruff and then go on to reach greater heights with other clubs. Which players? Nick Mendola pointed out yesterday that Daniel Briere said he would have been targeted by Chara every time he was on the ice when he was with Buffalo, but last year against the Bruins in the ECF as a Flyer he saw neither Chara nor their top checking lines--- which is why he had such a great series. Briere was the Sabres top offensive threat and asked to carry a much larger load when here, and Ruff arguably wrung every last drop of production out of him. In Philadelphia, he's merely their (highly overpaid, although it can be argued his playoff production justified the expense) 2nd line centreman. The core of this team may be rotten, but I don't think there's a coach in pro hockey that could get much more out of it, as presently constituted. If we knew for certain with whom the responsibility of keeping this group together lay (Ruff, Regier, Quinn, Golisano, some combination) there'd be a clearer picture of just what Ruff is doing correctly and incorrectly. IMHO.

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I feel like Ruff and this team are a bad combination. Don't know why, but it just seems dysfunctional. I like Lindy more than I like a lot of his players, but you can only do so much via trades and free agency to cut out the chumps and bring in new guys. I think the Sabres are stuck with a lot of the guys they have, and so the only way I could see breaking up this 'bad combination' would be to get a new coach. Lindy deserves better players anyway.

 

I don't know, though, I get hopeful knowing that Stafford, Rivet, and Connolly could all be let go next year. That frees up about $10M in salary cap. If that money could truly be put to good use, then I'm all for keeping Lindy around. I'm also very optimistic about the prospects coming up. I think the team needs some serious turnover but it's going to take time for that to happen.

 

I think patience is the answer. Keep Ruff and let the bum players cycle out of the system. Trading them is a pipe dream, so lets just forget about it.

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Korab Rules encouraged me to take the initiative, and I'm taking it. Here's a place for all your Lindy-related arguments. No more digging through GDTs to see where you made that awesome point about Ruff's leadership ability. No more searching through threads about players on other teams to see your well-articulated argument that Lindy would only ruin this player or that. You can put it all right here.

 

Maybe some mod wants to pin this; maybe not. But this is for you, you SabreSpace devotees of the Lindy debate.

 

Perhaps GDTs will now be about the games themselves; perhaps not. I'm hopeful. Maybe naive, but hopeful.

 

What is PASabresfan going to contribute to every other thread? If you limit his Lindy rants to this section only then where will I go for my 800 daily Lindy Ruff should be fired and he's such a terrible coach posts?

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What is PASabresfan going to contribute to every other thread? If you limit his Lindy rants to this section only then where will I go for my 800 daily Lindy Ruff should be fired and he's such a terrible coach posts?

 

Never said he was a terrible coach. His time here has passed and he tends to get on my nerves and he's starting to say some bizarre things and he's making some bad decisions (see Connolly taking two big late draws, down a goal) -- that's all.

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I'll be damned and go to hell if my Ruff rants will be boxed up and stuck in a corner somewhere, co-opted.

 

My crusade continues... in every post, in every thread, in every nook and cranny of SabreSpace.

they just be hatin on us bro. word. lindy ruffs time is up. hickory dickory dock. lindy ruff has a mouse in his crotch. your fired. leave now ruff.

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Time for a shake up. The most immediate and profound change this team can experience THIS season is a coaching change.

 

Lindy Ruff hockey has run its' course here in Buffalo.

 

Btw, it's much easier to change the coach then trade a player.

 

Just because its easier doesn't mean its the right thing to do. If you don't cut out the cancer it will just grow back.

 

they just be hatin on us bro. word. lindy ruffs time is up. hickory dickory dock. lindy ruff has a mouse in his crotch. your fired. leave now ruff.

 

Hey, PA! You have a new sidekick!

 

Word, Bro!

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When I saw that "Lindy's Pranks" segment between periods a few games ago I began to think a) this guy has to go b) He will never be let go. If anyone missed that idiotic display by the obvioulsy too comfortable coach, you really missed a sad display. It just seems obvious we have an absent owner and Darcy and Ruff have free reign to do whatever they want.

 

And these people that act like, oh, there is absolutely no one out that that can coach, give it up. Get real, a coaching change may not win us a cup, but keeping Mr. 13 years around till he dies is beyond stupid. And I'm not saying he's a terrible coach, but sometimes change is good, you know, like after 13 years. :wallbash:

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When I saw that "Lindy's Pranks" segment between periods a few games ago I began to think a) this guy has to go b) He will never be let go. If anyone missed that idiotic display by the obvioulsy too comfortable coach, you really missed a sad display. It just seems obvious we have an absent owner and Darcy and Ruff have free reign to do whatever they want.

 

And these people that act like, oh, there is absolutely no one out that that can coach, give it up. Get real, a coaching change may not win us a cup, but keeping Mr. 13 years around till he dies is beyond stupid. And I'm not saying he's a terrible coach, but sometimes change is good, you know, like after 13 years. :wallbash:

 

You seem haunted by that segment.

 

Pull my finger. You'll feel better.

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As much as I'm sick and disgusted of watching "the core" of this team, the only realistic change that can and should be made is to let both Darcy and Lindy go. Sabres fans have been waiting forty years for a cup and the Darcy/Lindy braintrust has swung and missed for thirteen of those seasons. THIRTEEN!!! Not many other NHL franchises would tolerate that lack of production. It's well past enough already, time to move on. And for the record I believe that Lindy is a very good coach and that he will find his elusive Stanley Cup elsewhere.

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I don't want Darcy picking a new coach or deciding who to trade with/for. His time in Buffalo should be up; his "game" has gone stale. Too many holes that he been opened up have been left unaddressed or addressed in the wrong way (e.g., trying to fix size/leadership in the top-two lines by adding defensemen and bottom-six players with size and experience.) Changing the coach might help a little bit in the short run, but the long-run problem would remain.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: replace Darcy and let the new GM decide who's going to be the coach. However, I should also add that, since neither Larry nor TG has any real hockey experience, a small board of been-there-done-that hockey (NHL) minds should be assembled to handle the new GM search with the restriction that they can't name one of themselves.

 

 

Side note: I am at the point where I cringe a little when an away (or Versus) feed inevitably mentions how many coaching/GM changes there have been since those two came on. It used to be fun; now it's just sad.

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Time for a shake up. The most immediate and profound change this team can experience THIS season is a coaching change.

 

Lindy Ruff hockey has run its' course here in Buffalo.

 

Btw, it's much easier to change the coach then trade a player.

 

 

When I saw that "Lindy's Pranks" segment between periods a few games ago I began to think a) this guy has to go b) He will never be let go. If anyone missed that idiotic display by the obvioulsy too comfortable coach, you really missed a sad display. It just seems obvious we have an absent owner and Darcy and Ruff have free reign to do whatever they want.

 

And these people that act like, oh, there is absolutely no one out that that can coach, give it up. Get real, a coaching change may not win us a cup, but keeping Mr. 13 years around till he dies is beyond stupid. And I'm not saying he's a terrible coach, but sometimes change is good, you know, like after 13 years. :wallbash:

 

 

I don't want Darcy picking a new coach or deciding who to trade with/for. His time in Buffalo should be up; his "game" has gone stale. Too many holes that he been opened up have been left unaddressed or addressed in the wrong way (e.g., trying to fix size/leadership in the top-two lines by adding defensemen and bottom-six players with size and experience.) Changing the coach might help a little bit in the short run, but the long-run problem would remain.I've said it before and I'll say it again: replace Darcy and let the new GM decide who's going to be the coach. However, I should also add that, since neither Larry nor TG has any real hockey experience, a small board of been-there-done-that hockey (NHL) minds should be assembled to handle the new GM search with the restriction that they can't name one of themselves.

 

 

Side note: I am at the point where I cringe a little when an away (or Versus) feed inevitably mentions how many coaching/GM changes there have been since those two came on. It used to be fun; now it's just sad.

 

Count me in on voting the coach off the island, I did see that Lindy's pranks out take between games and thought the same thing. Just too comfortable.

 

I do agree with Carp though and it has to start with Regier because he is or should be held responsible for the players and contracts we have on this team.

 

Then if you really continue to think about it and it's true that Lindy has a say in the who to keep and who to let go decisions that happen on this team well then he also has to be held accountable as well.

And even if he didn't have a say and he is keeping his mouth shut and towing the company line on bad decisions then it's as bad or worse because you then have to wonder if he is just hanging on for the gig/paycheck/location instead of knowing what is missing and sticking to his guns about what the team needs. Power Play coach/specialist still not hired after 3 years of that problem rerun and his regular empty threats of sitting players not playing well or hard screams that to me.

 

It is time...

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I don't want Darcy picking a new coach or deciding who to trade with/for. His time in Buffalo should be up; his "game" has gone stale. Too many holes that he been opened up have been left unaddressed or addressed in the wrong way (e.g., trying to fix size/leadership in the top-two lines by adding defensemen and bottom-six players with size and experience.) Changing the coach might help a little bit in the short run, but the long-run problem would remain.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: replace Darcy and let the new GM decide who's going to be the coach. However, I should also add that, since neither Larry nor TG has any real hockey experience, a small board of been-there-done-that hockey (NHL) minds should be assembled to handle the new GM search with the restriction that they can't name one of themselves.

 

 

Side note: I am at the point where I cringe a little when an away (or Versus) feed inevitably mentions how many coaching/GM changes there have been since those two came on. It used to be fun; now it's just sad.

 

You mean Dick Cheney can't sit on the board?

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