Adams roster defining trades - How do we feel about these deals and the Sabres because of them?

[GASabresIUFAN]

These are mostly listed in order by date but not importance or whether they are good or bad.  Just thought we should have a list of major (ish) moves.  I have left off moves like Joki for a 4th or Asplund for a 7th.

1) Peterka for Kesselring and Doan - top 6 scorer out, two middle roster players in

2) Cozens Gilbert and a 2026 2nd for Norris and JBD - Norris hurt 3 games after trade and hurt again in 1st game of the season.  JBD looked solid last season but Adams let him walk anyway. G-d forbid someone takes Bryson's roster spot.

3) Savoie for McLeod and AHLer Tullio - former top 10 pick out - 3rd line center in

4) a 2nd for Beck Malenstyn - draft pick wasted on 4th line trash.  2nd was used on Cole Hutson

5) Mitts for Byram - middle six forward out - raw top 4 D in

6) Robinson for a 7th - 4th liner in for a 7th.  Wasn't retained after the season

7) a 2nd and 5th for Greenway - Greenway has a needed skill set, but can't stay healthy. 2nd used on Riley Heidy, a smallish center but prolific scorer in the WHL

😎 Bloom for Stillman - Stillman was gone as soo as his contract was up.

9) Eichel plus a 3rd (Mathieu Cataford) for Tuch, Krebs a 1st (Östlund) and a 2nd (used to get Greenway) - Eichel won a Cup with LV, Östlund earned a call up this week

10) Nothing for Butcher and a 5th.  He was worth what we paid for him 

11) Reinhart for Levi and a 1st (Kulich) - Levi hasn't earned the NHL job yet?, Kulich has developed nicely, but Reinhart scored 50 and won two Cups

12) Risto for Hagg, 1st (Rosen) and a 2nd (Wahlberg) - Risto learned to play defense and the prospects still in the system

13) Montour for a 3rd (Sardarian) - Montour blossomed in Fla and won a Cup and we got a nothing prospect in return

14) Hall and Lazar for Bjork and a 2nd (Kisakov) - Basically a former MVP and a 4th line center for nothing because Adams gave Hall a NMC - Genius at work

15) Johansson for Staal - nothing to see here.  

Lets be honest, the Sabres maybe worse now after all these deals.  Adams has traded away for the 5 most productive drafted and developed Sabres forwards in Eichel, Reinhart, Mitts, Cozens and JJP.  Krebs hasn't panned out, Norris is injured, Levi is in the AHL, and Greenway also injured.  On the positive Doan looks like solid middle roster played, Kulich has a bright future (until Adams trades him as well), Byram has outplayed Power, Tuch has been good but his contract is up and McLeod was good last season (but invisible so far this season except on the PK).  IMHO the result of the these trades made the Sabres younger and less skilled.

I don't trust Adams to make any trades going forward.  

Edited 14 hours ago by GASabresIUFAN

[GASabresIUFAN]

Notice the complete lack of Goaltending on this list.

[Mr. MVP]

3, 5, 7 and 12 were ok/good.  
The rest of the trades were bad and hurt this franchise

[DarthEbriate]

For #10, the 2022 NJ 5th (134OA) became RHD Vsevolod Komarov

[Thorny]

Stink stank stunk

[Bangarang]

When you spell it all out like that I'm beginning to think this Adams fella isn't very good at his job.

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

These are mostly listed in order by date but not importance or whether they are good or bad.  Just thought we should have a list of major (ish) moves.  I have left off moves like Joki for a 4th or Asplund for a 7th.

1) Peterka for Kesselring and Doan - top 6 scorer out, two middle roster players in

2) Cozens Gilbert and a 2026 2nd for Norris and JBD - Norris hurt 3 games after trade and hurt again in 1st game of the season.  JBD looked solid last season but Adams let him walk anyway. G-d forbid someone takes Bryson's roster spot.

3) Savoie for McLeod and AHLer Tullio - former top 10 pick out - 3rd line center in

4) a 2nd for Beck Malenstyn - draft pick wasted on 4th line trash.  2nd was used on Cole Hutson

5) Mitts for Byram - middle six forward out - raw top 4 D in

6) Robinson for a 7th - 4th liner in for a 7th.  Wasn't retained after the season

7) a 2nd and 5th for Greenway - Greenway has a needed skill set, but can't stay healthy. 2nd used on Riley Heidy, a smallish center but prolific scorer in the WHL

😎 Bloom for Stillman - Stillman was gone as soo as his contract was up.

9) Eichel plus a 3rd (Mathieu Cataford) for Tuch, Krebs a 1st (Östlund) and a 2nd (used to get Greenway) - Eichel won a Cup with LV, Östlund earned a call up this week

10) Nothing for Butcher and a 5th.  He was worth what we paid for him 

11) Reinhart for Levi and a 1st (Kulich) - Levi hasn't earned the NHL job yet?, Kulich has developed nicely, but Reinhart scored 50 and won two Cups

12) Risto for Hagg, 1st (Rosen) and a 2nd (Wahlberg) - Risto learned to play defense and the prospects still in the system

13) Montour for a 3rd (Sardarian) - Montour blossomed in Fla and won a Cup and we got a nothing prospect in return

14) Hall and Lazar for Bjork and a 2nd (Kisakov) - Basically a former MVP and a 4th line center for nothing because Adams gave Hall a NMC - Genius at work

15) Johansson for Staal - nothing to see here.  

Lets be honest, the Sabres maybe worse now after all these deals.  Adams has traded away for the 5 most productive drafted and developed Sabres forwards in Eichel, Reinhart, Mitts, Cozens and JJP.  Krebs hasn't panned out, Norris is injured, Levi is in the AHL, and Greenway also injured.  On the positive Doan looks like solid middle roster played, Kulich has a bright future (until Adams trades him as well), Byram has outplayed Power, Tuch has been good but his contract is up and McLeod was good last season (but invisible so far this season except on the PK).  IMHO the result of the these trades made the Sabres younger and less skilled.

I don't trust Adams to make any trades going forward.  

1.  Not sure yet, could be ok

2. Good.  

3. Not bad, leaning on the good side.

4. Not good.

5. Big (ish) names but not really helping/hurting either way.

6. Doesn't matter.

7. Not good.

8. Doesn't matter.

9. Not good.

10. Doesn't matter.

11. Not good.

12. Decent.  Risto was hurting this team, needed to go.

13. Bad.

14. Doesn't matter.

15 Doesnt matter.

[St. Pete Gogolak]

The board in general LOVED the Risto trade. Philly had its pocket picked. Well, Philly has gotten four seasons of a vet, physical RHD (yes, with warts for sure). To date, we’ve received zilch in return.  Trade is a negative, period.

[Rasmus_]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

Stink stank stunk

Perfectly said.  Simple, straight forward, and the stink around it, has only gotten worse.  A few of the moves have worked, but the stagnant inability to get ahead of things, and only react is your problem here.

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, St. Pete Gogolak said:

The board in general LOVED the Risto trade. Philly had its pocket picked. Well, Philly has gotten four seasons of a vet, physical RHD (yes, with warts for sure). To date, we’ve received zilch in return.  Trade is a negative, period.

You're conflating can't draft with "Risto wasn't awful"

[St. Pete Gogolak]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You're conflating can't draft with "Risto wasn't awful"

I guess that is correct.  Maybe the lesson is don’t trade for draft picks when you don’t know how to draft.

[7+6=13]

Oh wow, how creative.  Another trash Adams thread.  

[PerreaultForever]

1) probably good for both teams

2) horrible. Moving on from Cozens was fine but not for this. 

3) future for present so good deal. 

4) dumb overpay and a waste of a 2nd rounder.

5) I'm mixed on this. I think Byram might be the better player but it wasn't really the right player for this team.

6) waste of time 

7) I'd say bad as Greenway can't stay healthy.

😎 meh

9) Bad. I like Tuch but come on, we lost that deal big time.

10) meh whatever

11) we got fleeced. I like Kulich and Levi might still turn into something but Reinhart is a star goal scorer.

12) I thought we won this one big but if the prospects don't make it I guess maybe we lost this one too. Mind you Risto is forever injured in Philly so I guess not.

13) well this one was a surprise. Who knew? Nobody wanted him here. Then he goes on to star in Florida. I guess that says more about our coaching and failed systems than the player. We blew this one. 

14) we got robbed blind by the player and the trade. Best to just forget this one and blot it from your memory.

15) ya, that's another whatever. 

overall it's a clear losing record. 

[sabremike]

This is Milbury level *****, there are multiple trades here that should end a GM's career (the Norris trade in particular was an act of insane recklessness and stupidity that even Ray Charles could've see was going to be a disaster).

[Pimlach]

9 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

These are mostly listed in order by date but not importance or whether they are good or bad.  Just thought we should have a list of major (ish) moves.  I have left off moves like Joki for a 4th or Asplund for a 7th.

1) Peterka for Kesselring and Doan - top 6 scorer out, two middle roster players in

2) Cozens Gilbert and a 2026 2nd for Norris and JBD - Norris hurt 3 games after trade and hurt again in 1st game of the season.  JBD looked solid last season but Adams let him walk anyway. G-d forbid someone takes Bryson's roster spot.

3) Savoie for McLeod and AHLer Tullio - former top 10 pick out - 3rd line center in

4) a 2nd for Beck Malenstyn - draft pick wasted on 4th line trash.  2nd was used on Cole Hutson

5) Mitts for Byram - middle six forward out - raw top 4 D in

6) Robinson for a 7th - 4th liner in for a 7th.  Wasn't retained after the season

7) a 2nd and 5th for Greenway - Greenway has a needed skill set, but can't stay healthy. 2nd used on Riley Heidy, a smallish center but prolific scorer in the WHL

😎 Bloom for Stillman - Stillman was gone as soo as his contract was up.

9) Eichel plus a 3rd (Mathieu Cataford) for Tuch, Krebs a 1st (Östlund) and a 2nd (used to get Greenway) - Eichel won a Cup with LV, Östlund earned a call up this week

10) Nothing for Butcher and a 5th.  He was worth what we paid for him 

11) Reinhart for Levi and a 1st (Kulich) - Levi hasn't earned the NHL job yet?, Kulich has developed nicely, but Reinhart scored 50 and won two Cups

12) Risto for Hagg, 1st (Rosen) and a 2nd (Wahlberg) - Risto learned to play defense and the prospects still in the system

13) Montour for a 3rd (Sardarian) - Montour blossomed in Fla and won a Cup and we got a nothing prospect in return

14) Hall and Lazar for Bjork and a 2nd (Kisakov) - Basically a former MVP and a 4th line center for nothing because Adams gave Hall a NMC - Genius at work

15) Johansson for Staal - nothing to see here.  

Lets be honest, the Sabres maybe worse now after all these deals.  Adams has traded away for the 5 most productive drafted and developed Sabres forwards in Eichel, Reinhart, Mitts, Cozens and JJP.  Krebs hasn't panned out, Norris is injured, Levi is in the AHL, and Greenway also injured.  On the positive Doan looks like solid middle roster played, Kulich has a bright future (until Adams trades him as well), Byram has outplayed Power, Tuch has been good but his contract is up and McLeod was good last season (but invisible so far this season except on the PK).  IMHO the result of the these trades made the Sabres younger and less skilled.

I don't trust Adams to make any trades going forward.  

Is Adams living rent free in Georgia ?