Ok Enough Terry - Fire Ruff Adams and the Assistants!

[PerreaultForever]

 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, Flashsabre said:

 

They should just say they have no ***** idea what Cozens is instead of this "top 6 all day long" shtick. 

Yea no they don't know wtf they are even talking about. Just another talking head who has no clue what Cozens really is. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:11 PM by LGR4GM

[mjd1001]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

They should just say they have no ***** idea what Cozens is instead of this "top 6 all day long" shtick. 

Yea no they don't know wtf they are even talking about. Just another talking head who has no clue what Cozens really is. 

I'm not sure why people still think Cozen is good.   Even some of the people in Ottawa (some, not all) are starting to think he's not as good as they hoped.

I posted this in a thread the other day, but since he got to Ottawa, he's played   30 games, has 7 goals and 13 assists and is a -10(including playoffs, not preseason of course). Thats an 82 game pace of 19 goals, 35 assists, and a -27. Yes, a -27 on a team that made the playoffs last year.   

And I'm not sure what the numbers look like this year, but some of his deeper dive analytics....the guys he played with in Ottawa last year had their numbres get worse after Cozens started playing with them. Batherson is the guy that they put with Cozens the most. Batherson's Corsi% is down 4 whole percentage points with Cozens vs without him. Fenwick down almost 5 points. Shots down 3, expected goals down 8! Scoring chances down 5, High danger down 3.  

Maybe tomorrow Cozens will have a good game. Maybe after tomorrow he will turn the corner and become a good player. But right now he is a bad player.  Teammates get WORSE when he is with them vs when they are with anyone else.

There are plenty of things to criticize the Sabres for that are legit. Some people just don't do the work.

Edited Wednesday at 12:29 AM by mjd1001

[Flashsabre]

I’m not a Cozens fan. He will never improve his hockey IQ.

The takeaway is though that Cozens had value around the league and Adams turned that into a major red flag with a higher salary and threw. 2nd round pick in to boot.

[LGR4GM]

Hey look Marco Rossi is a #1 center... who could have known. 

 

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Hey look Marco Rossi is a #1 center... who could have known. 

 

Well, Botterill had him as the guy on his list that Adams was keen on distancing himself from 

We can only assume Terry held Adams at gunpoint though and fed him that scouting report 

[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

They should just say they have no ***** idea what Cozens is instead of this "top 6 all day long" shtick. 

Yea no they don't know wtf they are even talking about. Just another talking head who has no clue what Cozens really is. 

Cozens is 3C in Ottawa. He might bump up with Tkachuk injured but before that he was bumped down below Pinto. 

Honestly though I don't think Ottawa cares all that much. From their perspective they managed to dump a gimpy player on a big contract. If they end up trading Cozens away at some point it's still a win for them. That second might even be a big deal the way we are going. 

It's weird to see the Sabres being talked about this much from the usual hockey talkers this early. They are usually ignored or get minimal coverage. It just all feels so much worse than it usually does and this stuff doesn't help ease that. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Hey look Marco Rossi is a #1 center... who could have known. 

 

Lots of ex-Sabres in that lineup.  

[Archie Lee]

9 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Lots of ex-Sabres in that lineup.  

I know that Bogosian was grossly overpaid as a Sabre. But, seeing him fairly consistently be able to play a role on a playoff level team, and seeing Johansson and Hinostroza continue to play effective roles in the NHL, should be a signal to us that, generally speaking, the players aren’t the issue. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

10 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I know that Bogosian was grossly overpaid as a Sabre. But, seeing him fairly consistently be able to play a role on a playoff level team, and seeing Johansson and Hinostroza continue to play effective roles in the NHL, should be a signal to us that, generally speaking, the players aren’t the issue. 

Don’t forget Foligno.

Bad management.  No team wins without good management from scouting to drafting to signing FAs to making trades and constructing a roster.  Show me a championship level team and I’ll show a good GM.  

Since Pegula has owned the team, there has never been good management.  Until he steps back, hires a real President of hockey operations who then hires a good, non-rookie GM, the Sabres won’t and can’t win.

Firing Adams is not enough.

 

[LGR4GM]

12 hours ago, Thorny said:

Well, Botterill had him as the guy on his list that Adams was keen on distancing himself from 

We can only assume Terry held Adams at gunpoint though and fed him that scouting report 

Adams and Forton don't understand age curves and they don't understand how "motor" works or what it entails. The fact analytics had to go to bat to get Benson is all we need to know about scouting. 

They need about 6 more guys that have non stop motors, check well, and have skill. Helenius might be 1. We're talking years of drafting correct or using Power to acquire some now. 

[Thorny]

3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Don’t forget Foligno.

Bad management.  No team wins without good management from scouting to drafting to signing FAs to making trades and constructing a roster.  Show me a championship level team and I’ll show a good GM.  

Since Pegula has owned the team, there has never been good management.  Until he steps back, hires a real President of hockey operations who then hires a good, non-rookie GM, the Sabres won’t and can’t win.

Firing Adams is not enough.

 

But it’s a wholly necessary start 

[bunomatic]

On 10/14/2025 at 2:06 PM, Flashsabre said:

 

That trade itself is reason enough to be fired ,add to that all the other reasons Adams should be shitcanned down the road and he’s still Terrys fav. I don’t get it.

[Drag0nDan]

On 10/14/2025 at 6:09 PM, LGR4GM said:

They should just say they have no ***** idea what Cozens is instead of this "top 6 all day long" shtick. 

Yea no they don't know wtf they are even talking about. Just another talking head who has no clue what Cozens really is. 

I was happy to see him gone.  Would be nice if Norris could stay healthy for more than a game, but he was just a brutal line killer towards the end of his time here.  Can't pass, is ok in transition but always seems lost in his own zone defensively, and every shot seems to be meticulously aimed directly at the goalies jersey logo.  

[Pimlach]

On 10/14/2025 at 4:06 PM, Flashsabre said:

 

This guy obviously didn’t watch Cozens play, obviously didn’t read his fancy stats.  But still, the trade had huge risks for Buffalo given Norris’ injury history and his salary.  
 

Ottawa unloaded a good player with high cost and high availability risks for the potential of Cozens 

Edited Friday at 08:39 PM by Pimlach

[Taro T]

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

This guy obviously didn’t watch Cozens play, obviously didn’t read his fancy stats.  But still, the trade had huge risks for Buffalo given Norris’ injury history and his salary.  
 

Ottawa unloaded a good player with high cost and high available risks for the potential of Cozens 

That rare trade that BOTH teams lost.

[thewookie1]

On 10/15/2025 at 8:41 AM, GASabresIUFAN said:

Don’t forget Foligno.

Bad management.  No team wins without good management from scouting to drafting to signing FAs to making trades and constructing a roster.  Show me a championship level team and I’ll show a good GM.  

Since Pegula has owned the team, there has never been good management.  Until he steps back, hires a real President of hockey operations who then hires a good, non-rookie GM, the Sabres won’t and can’t win.

Firing Adams is not enough.

 

 

It would be a good start though

[GASabresIUFAN]

3 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

 

It would be a good start though

Firings Adams must be accompanied by other moves.  Simply firing Adams and promoting Jarmo leaves the bad scouts, Fortan, and the bad coaches in place.  Lipstick on a pig especially if Terry forces Jarmo to work under the same restrictions as Adams.  
 

 

Edited Friday at 11:17 PM by GASabresIUFAN

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Firings Adams must be accompanied by other moves.  Simply firing Adams and promoting Jarmo leaves the bad scouts, Fortan, and the bad coaches in place.  Lipstick on a pig especially if Terry forces Jarmo to work under the same restrictions and Adams.  
 

 

Fortan.  I read Fortran.  Had a flashback to younger days.  
 

[Thorny]

23 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Firings Adams must be accompanied by other moves.  Simply firing Adams and promoting Jarmo leaves the bad scouts, Fortan, and the bad coaches in place.  Lipstick on a pig especially if Terry forces Jarmo to work under the same restrictions as Adams.  
 

 

So, 

A) let perfect be the enemy of good and don’t do anything, spitting in the face of accountability in the process

b) extend Adams because: we’ve won 2 games after dropping the first 3, the owner literally isn’t going to change therefore we are powerless to make any other changes (as they’d be pointless), and we do literally need to have someone in the GM chair 

c) be sure to credit Terry for the Doan acquisition as I am told Terry has his fingers in every pie 

Edited 9 hours ago by Thorny

[Thorny]

23 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

 

It would be a good start though

No, if you can’t lose the 50 pounds you need to lose with one solid week of exercise and diet, with some small improvement first, you shouldn’t even bother. 50 pounds in one fell swoop or not at all. Terry pays for liposuction or we are stuck with eveything 

[Eleven]

So this thread has become @Thorny discussing sucking fat through a tube.

[Thorny]

24 minutes ago, Eleven said:

So this thread has become @Thorny discussing sucking fat through a tube.

A marked improvement on the last 6 years of sabres hockey 

[Weave]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

A marked improvement on the last 6 years of sabres hockey 

Sucking fat through a tube is my dinner plans.

[Thorny]

Just now, Weave said:

Sucking fat through a tube is my dinner plans.

I’ve heard good things about your milkshake. brings all the boys to the yard, IIRC