Alex Tuch contract talks

[7+6=13]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

I finally figured out my Tuch issue, motor. His motor runs hot and cold. Some shifts he skates hard and goes after pucks, others he kinda floats around the ice and really loves to glide with the puck on his stick. I was honestly shocked to see he's got 4pts on the season. He needs to be better, the entire team isn't good enough. 

Except Zach Benson, that dude is a joy. 

Benson is absolutely a pleasure to watch play, especially because he's our guy.  Less of a connection because he's so new to us, but I think you'll agree, Doan has been equally fun to watch.

[mjd1001]

35 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

This is a great post but I think there's a couple issues with the numbers.  I came up with similar totals on the forwards spend, but it includes Tuch's current contract.  So you can't take the entire 10 mil from the numbers.  It would be the difference between 4.75 and 10 mil.  

I show Skinner's hit to be 4.44 next season, not 6.44.  

So in just those two, there's an additional 6.75 mil.

IMO, there is a path to sign all 4.

Everything I see shows Skinner's numbers accelerating next year to 6.44..for one year.

13 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Everything I see shows Skinner's numbers accelerating next year to 6.44

I got my numbers from cap wages also.... I looked just that next year. That also doesn't include Tuchs current contract.

Unless their data is incorrect... But I don't think it is because they've had those numbers out for quite some time now.

I'll double check when I have a chance later... But my initial post about this a couple days ago was partially in response to another person who came up with the same numbers I did.

Edited 8 hours ago by mjd1001

[LGR4GM]

47 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

This is a great post but I think there's a couple issues with the numbers.  I came up with similar totals on the forwards spend, but it includes Tuch's current contract.  So you can't take the entire 10 mil from the numbers.  It would be the difference between 4.75 and 10 mil.  

I show Skinner's hit to be 4.44 next season, not 6.44.  

So in just those two, there's an additional 6.75 mil.

IMO, there is a path to sign all 4.

Skinner is 6.4 next year. He's 4.4 this year. 

[tom webster]

47 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

This is a great post but I think there's a couple issues with the numbers.  I came up with similar totals on the forwards spend, but it includes Tuch's current contract.  So you can't take the entire 10 mil from the numbers.  It would be the difference between 4.75 and 10 mil.  

I show Skinner's hit to be 4.44 next season, not 6.44.  

So in just those two, there's an additional 6.75 mil.

IMO, there is a path to sign all 4.

No, the $20M available does not count Tuch’s current contract and like someone else pointed out, Skinner’s buyout is $6.4M.

 

However, there are easy ways to pay Tuch, Benson, Doan and Kesserling if that is what you want to do. 

[Thorny]

3 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

I partly agree. Until Adams and Ruff are gone we are not making significant progress on a sustained basis. From that angle, it’s not worth fretting over. I do think that Dahlin and Thompson are definitely foundational players for a GM who has the skills to build a team. I love Tuch, but would not quite place him in that category. 

Dahlin is one of the best players in the league. The only thing we are doing is wasting his prime

that after ALL this, and all these years, we still have folks in the “I don’t wanna blame the best player but I’m gonna blame the best player” camp is just willful ignorance or lack of understanding of how hockey works. These same people will argue Eichel isn’t full marks for his cup win and leading the playoffs in points because he was added to a team that was “already good”. 

they just don’t get it and seemingly never will 

Edited 5 hours ago by Thorny

[mjd1001]

3 hours ago, tom webster said:

No, the $20M available does not count Tuch’s current contract and like someone else pointed out, Skinner’s buyout is $6.4M.

 

However, there are easy ways to pay Tuch, Benson, Doan and Kesserling if that is what you want to do. 

What are the easy ways?  As mentioned previously you also have 3 'bottom of the roster' guys who are up. Whether you resign them or replace them with bargain basement guys, you are still looking at $3-$5m for those guy sbefore you even get to Tuch, Benson, Doan, and Kesserling.

[7+6=13]

5 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Skinner is 6.4 next year. He's 4.4 this year. 

 

5 hours ago, tom webster said:

No, the $20M available does not count Tuch’s current contract and like someone else pointed out, Skinner’s buyout is $6.4M.

 

However, there are easy ways to pay Tuch, Benson, Doan and Kesserling if that is what you want to do. 

 

6 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Everything I see shows Skinner's numbers accelerating next year to 6.44..for one year.

I got my numbers from cap wages also.... I looked just that next year. That also doesn't include Tuchs current contract.

Unless their data is incorrect... But I don't think it is because they've had those numbers out for quite some time now.

I'll double check when I have a chance later... But my initial post about this a couple days ago was partially in response to another person who came up with the same numbers I did.

 

Thank you gents.  I see where I got it wrong, I had the incorrect year selected (25/26) for Skinner.  

I added up the contracts for the forwards individually and came up with just short of 40 mil with Tuch's, but I must have gone wrong somewhere.