Sabres announce qualifying offers

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, thewookie1 said:

JBD and Kisakov weren’t qualified

JBD better be re-signed or that’s a major issue. 

Kisakov not getting a QO makes a ton of sense.  On the surface of it, Bernard-Docker not getting one doesn't make nearly as much.  Seemed to be worth at least $900k IMHO.  Not sure why the Sabres would sweat the extra $60-100k unless they plan on using that in FA &/or trading for pieces that are significantly more expensive than what they currently have.

And that's completely outside their MO.

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Kisakov not getting a QO makes a ton of sense.  On the surface of it, Bernard-Docker not getting one doesn't make nearly as much.  Seemed to be worth at least $900k IMHO.  Not sure why the Sabres would sweat the extra $60-100k unless they plan on using that in FA &/or trading for pieces that are significantly more expensive than what they currently have.

And that's completely outside their MO.

Meanwhile, the inexplicable and the dumb are completely in their wheelhouse.

[shrader]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

Kisakov not getting a QO makes a ton of sense.  On the surface of it, Bernard-Docker not getting one doesn't make nearly as much.  Seemed to be worth at least $900k IMHO.  Not sure why the Sabres would sweat the extra $60-100k unless they plan on using that in FA &/or trading for pieces that are significantly more expensive than what they currently have.

And that's completely outside their MO.

How much time did he miss to injury last year?  Could there be bonuses that wouldn't be a part of the QO?  But still, you think you'd go through the formality of the offer, but who knows.  Like I said, they didn't qualify Bryson last year and I feel like they did something the year before too, but I can't find that info.  There must be some reason for not qualifying someone and then still bringing them back.

 

I know you can lower the numbers, but like you said, this is a small contract already.

[SABRES 0311]

If they resign JBD and Byram we are looking at something like:

Dahlin Byram

Power Kesserling

JBD Timmins

I could be wrong since I don't know much about Timmins and all I know about Kesserling is he does hit and what people on here have said.

If Timmins is in the starting lineup I can't wait for a @Doohickie meme if/when he scores. I hope its Timmy from South Park.

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, shrader said:

How much time did he miss to injury last year?  Could there be bonuses that wouldn't be a part of the QO?  But still, you think you'd go through the formality of the offer, but who knows.  Like I said, they didn't qualify Bryson last year and I feel like they did something the year before too, but I can't find that info.  There must be some reason for not qualifying someone and then still bringing them back.

 

I know you can lower the numbers, but like you said, this is a small contract already.

He was on his 2nd contract.  No performance bonuses allowed.

[thewookie1]

The only thing I can think of with JBD is arbitration. They want to offer 2x1.25mil and not have to jump through the hoops of arbitration 

[Jorcus]

I don't think they want JBD now that they have Timmins. Someone has to go If Byram and Muel are staying.

[LabattBlue]

2 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

I don't think they want JBD now that they have Timmins. Someone has to go If Byram and Muel are staying.

Bryson and Muel stay, JBD…GTFO.  

This train wreck organization is the gift that keeps on giving. 

[shrader]

6 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

I don't think they want JBD now that they have Timmins. Someone has to go If Byram and Muel are staying.

Worst case scenario he's in the AHL.  There's no reason to let him walk.  I fully expect to see him signed tomorrow.

[JohnC]

17 minutes ago, Taro T said:

He played well for the Sabres after he arrived.  The only way this makes sense is if they have a deal for less than $866K that Bernard-Docker said would be acceptable to him provided nobody else beats it and if for some reason the Sabres are confident that nobody will beat that deal.

As you previously stated, Docker played well for us. He more than earned what should be his qualifying offer. If he is being offered less, it is a tribute to this organization’s smallness. There is a saying that shameless people /organizations can’t be shamed

The contempt I have for the owner and what he has done to this franchise can not be stated because it is profusely profane. 

[lothar]

Rebuked him on his birthday, no less. That's not gonna work out well.

[LGR4GM]

Put Kevyn on the next space x launch. 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Jacob Bernard Docker not qualified 

Wtf Adams. 

11 minutes ago, shrader said:

Worst case scenario he's in the AHL.  There's no reason to let him walk.  I fully expect to see him signed tomorrow.

He better.

[Taro T]

13 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

I don't think they want JBD now that they have Timmins. Someone has to go If Byram and Muel are staying.

Don't see any reason at all for them to not want Bernard-Docker.  He played very well with Power last year (and there weren't many D that have done so).  Would want him as the 7 in an absolute worst case scenario.

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

As you previously stated, Docker played well for us. He more than earned what should be his qualifying offer. If he is being offered less, it is a tribute to this organization’s smallness. There is a saying that shameless people /organizations can’t be shamed

The contempt I have for the owner and what he has done to this franchise can not be stated because it is profusely profane. 

Am hoping that @thewookie1 is onto something with his thought that this allows the Sabres to work out a contract with him without him having arbitration eligibility.  (There's nothing to arbitrate over when neither side is locked in to the other.)  Don't recall ottomh ANY Sabres going to arbitration under Pegula (maybe Kennedy's was under TP but thought that was in the Golisano era); maybe that's a hill that Pegula WILL die over - NO salary arbitration.)

If that isn't it, really don't see a solid rationale for the Sabres to have not offered him his $866k as a placeholder to keep his rights.

[dudacek]

Did the exact same thing to Bryson 2 years ago didn’t they?

Didn't qualify him, then signed him for less?

I think this forum overrates JBD, but if they don’t spend the cap space it makes no sense at all.

[Mustache of God]

4 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Did the exact same thing to Bryson 2 years ago didn’t they?

Didn't qualify him, then signed him for less?

I think this forum overrates JBD, but if they don’t spend the cap space it makes no sense at all.

The difference being they didn't just trade to acquire the player. I'm hoping this is a nothing burger and they have a deal in place and will have this inked tomorrow,  I'll keep the pitch fork corked for now.

 

I have been saying for years that as long as Bryson is on this team they are not a playoff roster,  and my jimmies are still rustled from that signing earlier this year.

[The Jokeman]

6 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Did the exact same thing to Bryson 2 years ago didn’t they?

Didn't qualify him, then signed him for less?

I think this forum overrates JBD, but if they don’t spend the cap space it makes no sense at all.

It's just the premise that you let it up to chance. If he re-signed great but if he doesn't then what?

[PerreaultForever]

So your bottom pair is Samuelsson Timmons and your 7th is Bryson? That'll make them one injury away from total collapse on D. 

[LGR4GM]

33 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Did the exact same thing to Bryson 2 years ago didn’t they?

Didn't qualify him, then signed him for less?

I think this forum overrates JBD, but if they don’t spend the cap space it makes no sense at all.

Less than what? Jbd is basically at league minimum. 

[shrader]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

As you previously stated, Docker played well for us. He more than earned what should be his qualifying offer. If he is being offered less, it is a tribute to this organization’s smallness. There is a saying that shameless people /organizations can’t be shamed

The contempt I have for the owner and what he has done to this franchise can not be stated because it is profusely profane. 

The contract itself may be less in total dollars (or the same), but you know what the qualifying offer has that this hypothetical contract doesn’t? The QO is probably two way. 

[Taro T]

27 minutes ago, Mustache of God said:

The difference being they didn't just trade to acquire the player. I'm hoping this is a nothing burger and they have a deal in place and will have this inked tomorrow,  I'll keep the pitch fork corked for now.

 

I have been saying for years that as long as Bryson is on this team they are not a playoff roster,  and my jimmies are still rustled from that signing earlier this year.

Yeah, not sure if they're following the Bryson model of not handing out a QO to a guy or if they're following the Kahun model of not handing out a QO to a guy.

Guess we'll know which it is pretty soon.

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, shrader said:

The contract itself may be less in total dollars (or the same), but you know what the qualifying offer has that this hypothetical contract doesn’t? The QO is probably two way. 

It’s a challenge to give this rickety organization the benefit of the doubt on anything. 

[LabattBlue]

Just now, JohnC said:

It’s a challenge to give this rickety organization the benefit of the doubt on anything. 

Yep.  No benefit of the doubt for this 14 year clown show. 

[tom webster]

On the one hand, I agree with a lot of what is being said. 
On the other hand, we are talking about the sixth or seventh defenseman on a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in fourteen years. 
I’m pretty sure whether the streak continues will have little to nothing to do with this decision.

[WhenWillItEnd66]

How much you want to bet we keep Byram, and they pick up some D level forwards in FA!! KA holds a press conference we won the off-season as our defense got better and the kids will make up the goals we lost in the JJP trade

Edited 10 hours ago by WhenWillItEnd66