Would you extend 29 year old Tuch for 7 years 59 million?

[darksabre]

14 minutes ago, sabremike said:

This might just be the most insane thing ever uttered in the entire history of these boards. I couldn't think of any two players who could be less alike: Tuch is an excellent player, MM had a couple of good seasons being carried by John Tavares that fooled us into handing him a huge contract.

Dabbling in hyperbole today are we?

Everyone has been extolling his excellence when paired with Tage, I don't think this situation is that different beyond the fact that Tuch is a better player than MM was (which I already said). 

But he's also the kind of player who could either play another 10 years, or have his legs give out in 3. It's a risk. 

They should extend him because it's good for the team in the short term. But if they aren't sniffing the playoffs next year, they may be wise to use his good contract value and the raising cap to recover assets before it's too late. 

[Thorny]

4 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/sabres-alex-tuch-59-million-contract-update-trade-rumors/a425bbd301fda017922bc38d

I'd do 5 years @ $7 per season, but 7 years on a 29 year old player is excessive.

Thoughts?

It would actually start at age 30

[Thorny]

3 hours ago, ponokasabre said:

Yep, pay the man and move on, he is key for this team

I want this team to win when Alex Tuch is on it

Exactly how the GM should have been operating when his contract was at its most valuable. 
 

ALAS 

[Thorny]

17 hours ago, Thorny said:

the sabres never get to “good problems to have” stage because they don’t create an environment where good scenarios emerge

Cart/horse, always 

don’t build a playoff team, build a cup team

ok, you hubristic bastards 

Branching off this, we are of course the exact opposite, with Tuch: caught between 2 inconvenient choices; a poor problem to have.

[bob_sauve28]

2 hours ago, Eleven said:

I don't know what this means.

The little girl is abusing Sabretooth, so I assume it means that Tuch can go away? 

 

That's the best I got 

[Archie Lee]

16 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Exactly how the GM should have been operating when his contract was at its most valuable. 
 

ALAS 

Yep.

If anyone wants to torture themselves, here is the press conference to announce the Granato firing. At around the 11:00 minute mark Adams is asked, by Yerdon I think, if he could have done more to give Granato a better roster to work with. Adams points out that he does not have a crystal ball and did not know Jack Quinn would get a 2nd injury. I mean, what can the guy do without the benefit of a supernatural tool to help him plan for the season? 

 

[PerreaultForever]

Look at it this way, if you do not sign Tuch you are clearly not making any progress you are going backwards and then you will lose Dahlin and more when they want out. You want to shift things you commit to veterans and leaders and you spend to that cap. 

[That Aud Smell]

1 hour ago, Eleven said:

Oh, that's kind.  But I've been back since winter, which ended in late May this year.

haha - nice.

well, this was the first i saw from ye. 🤘

[Thorny]

11 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Yep.

If anyone wants to torture themselves, here is the press conference to announce the Granato firing. At around the 11:00 minute mark Adams is asked, by Yerdon I think, if he could have done more to give Granato a better roster to work with. Adams points out that he does not have a crystal ball and did not know Jack Quinn would get a 2nd injury. I mean, what can the guy do without the benefit of a supernatural tool to help him plan for the season? 

 

What do you mean the multitude of 50/50 bets I placed didn’t all turn out my way? 

If they would have, we’d have been good. Can’t argue that 

10 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Look at it this way, if you do not sign Tuch you are clearly not making any progress you are going backwards and then you will lose Dahlin and more when they want out. You want to shift things you commit to veterans and leaders and you spend to that cap. 

Ya, you have to sign him 

trade, viable too, but dont really see it 

Edited yesterday at 07:18 PM by Thorny

[PerreaultForever]

24 minutes ago, Thorny said:

What do you mean the multitude of 50/50 bets I placed didn’t all turn out my way? 

If they would have, we’d have been good. Can’t argue that 

Ya, you have to sign him 

trade, viable too, but dont really see it 

Trade only works if you are adding others of value. If it's a deadline deal it'll always be for picks and prospects or occasionally cap dumps. 

[sabremike]

1 hour ago, darksabre said:

Dabbling in hyperbole today are we?

Everyone has been extolling his excellence when paired with Tage, I don't think this situation is that different beyond the fact that Tuch is a better player than MM was (which I already said). 

But he's also the kind of player who could either play another 10 years, or have his legs give out in 3. It's a risk. 

They should extend him because it's good for the team in the short term. But if they aren't sniffing the playoffs next year, they may be wise to use his good contract value and the raising cap to recover assets before it's too late. 

MM was a journeyman who literally got carried by an all but certain HOF'er to a few good seasons and fell straight off a cliff without Tavares. Tuch is an all-star caliber two way forward that teams pray for. There is literally no comparison here.

[DarthEbriate]

59 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Yep.

If anyone wants to torture themselves, here is the press conference to announce the Granato firing. At around the 11:00 minute mark Adams is asked, by Yerdon I think, if he could have done more to give Granato a better roster to work with. Adams points out that he does not have a crystal ball and did not know Jack Quinn would get a 2nd injury. I mean, what can the guy do without the benefit of a supernatural tool to help him plan for the season? 

 

I'm not watching the video, not because I don't like torture, but because I don't like listening to Sheevyn talk anymore. What would've happened if the injury had been TNT, or Tuch, or Skinner during that season? More excuses?

 

Let's Look at the Timeline!

6/29/23: Quinn has successful Achilles surgery. That means Sheevyn knew about the injury a few days up to a couple weeks (depending on swelling, etc.) beforehand. That gives you a week, maybe more, to plan for UFA on 7/1 and address the now gaping hole in your top 6 (because you established at the end of the previous season that it wasn't Olofsson per the coach's usage), because even after the recovery, Quinn is unlikely to be at full speed this season. So... go get a Zucker-type in UFA.

 

7/1: UFA opens. They get EJohnson and Clifton. They don't trade VO or retain his salary. Sheevyn has $10M remaining in cap space to address a critical need for a team trying to make the playoffs for the 1st time in 12 years and that finished 1 point (2 points with tiebreakers) out of the playoffs previously.

Here are some available UFAs that signed on 7/1: Kerfoot, Compher, Eller, Miles Wood, Galchenyuk, Acciari, Killorn, Namestnikov, Glendening, Bonino, Zucker, Steel, Duchene, Sprong, Conor Sheary, Pacioretty (off Achilles injury), Craig Smith, Blueger, Lucic, Gustav Nyqvist (2-yr deal), Morgan Geekie, Blake Wheeler, JVR, ROR, Reaves. Some wouldn't be fits. But you only need 1, technically, if Benson makes the team or if you don't trade VO.

 

Here are some available UFAs on 7/2/2023 and the term they signed for:

Evan Rodrigues-(4 yr), Tyler Bertuzzi (1-yr), Max Domi (1-yr), Vinnie Hinostroza (1-yr), Filip Zadina (1-yr), Jesper Boqvist (1-yr), Oskar Sundqvist (1-yr), Tomas Nosek (1-yr), Vladimir Tarasenko (1-yr), Pius Suter (2-yr), Tyler Motte (1-yr), Tomas Tatar (1-yr). There are a few you could take a stopgap for Quinn. I've always thought Tarasenko would've been the right move.

 

12/19/23: Quinn returns to the lineup. Current record: 13-17-3. You're waiting on him to SAVE your season, you should've already made a move in the summer. Your desperation move should've taken place in November! (For the record, Sheevyn did trade for Eric Robinson on 12/6 -- too late and not really the right guy to replace Quinn's point production.)

 

1/27/2024: Quinn is injured the game before the All-Star Break. 22-23-4. Luukkonen has been playing out his mind, you're still under DeLuca.500 by 5 games.

At season's end, 39-37-6 is 4 games under DeLuca.500 and 7 points clear of the final Wild Card.

You needed Quinn's replacement all season long.

######.

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, MISabresFan said:

The games I watched, he is not worth that kind of money.  He hasn't raised the needle for the Sabres.

Really? Even with all the shorties he scores?

[inkman]

4 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

Yep.

If anyone wants to torture themselves, here is the press conference to announce the Granato firing. At around the 11:00 minute mark Adams is asked, by Yerdon I think, if he could have done more to give Granato a better roster to work with. Adams points out that he does not have a crystal ball and did not know Jack Quinn would get a 2nd injury. I mean, what can the guy do without the benefit of a supernatural tool to help him plan for the season? 

 

Funny coincidence, my wife likes to call me her supernatural tool on the right occasion. 

[SABRES 0311]

That deal looks good as the cap increases. He’ll be an offensive and defensive asset for the next few years. After that he becomes serviceable but still a leadership asset to mentor younger guys.

Just do it KA.

[inkman]

Pay Tooch what he’s worth. This team desperately needs credibility. 

[gilbert11]

19 hours ago, MISabresFan said:

The games I watched, he is not worth that kind of money.  He hasn't raised the needle for the Sabres.

What are you talking about? He’s been the best overall forward.  Plays great D, on penalty kill, scored 36 goals!!

[GoPuckYourself]

I don't think we can afford to lose a player like Tuch, a player that has said to want to be here and on most nights gives it his all. He does come with flaws but alot less than a bunch of these other guys, I'll worry about those later years when they get here. 

[Carmel Corn]

IMHO - losing Tuch would be a PR nightmare for this team.  He’s the main piece in return for the Eichel trade.  Flipping him for picks and/or prospects won’t sit well with fans or sell tickets.  Maybe more importantly, losing a guy from NY who wanted to actually be here….but no longer stays by choice is such a damming indictment of the $hitshow this franchise has become.

[That Aud Smell]

They have to figure out how to extend him - that is, assuming he's willing to do so.

[Thorny]

Lesser of two evils I guess 

[MISabresFan]

21 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Really? Even with all the shorties he scores?

Maybe it is the way he plays that doesn't "fit my eye".  Seems to act nonchalant on the ice.