Byram has packed up his house and will be moved: After the Whistle

[dudacek]

1 minute ago, Ogelthorpe said:

I would say that proves my point other than one or two instances.

Another one is Lehner acquired for a 1st, no return.

The McNabb deal is a perennial favourite around here.

I haven’t completely tracked the Kane deal trade tree, but I don’t think the Sabres have any assets left from that one.

Botterill was a disaster at managing assets and Adams squandered a lot of what was left in the Bubble.

Yes, the McCabe injury was a stroke of bad luck, and Botterill set him up for failure, but managing to turn Ullmark, McCabe and Montour into exactly nothing is a huge black mark against Adams that no one ever talks about.

 

[shrader]

40 minutes ago, dudacek said:

This was interesting to look into:

• Cozens acquired for pick 7, flipped for Josh Norris
• Skinner acquired for basically a 2nd, no return
• Jokiharju acquired for Nylander, flipped for a 2026 4th
• Savoie acquired for pick 9,  flipped for McLeod
• Mittelstadt acquired for pick 8, flipped for Byram
• Lyubushkin acquired for nothing, flipped for a 2025 4th
• Erik Johnson acquired for nothing, flipped for Simon-Pierre Brunet and Ryerson Leenders
• Colin Miller acquired for a 2nd and a 5th, no return
• Sam Reinhart acquired for 2nd overall pick, flipped for Kulich and Levi
• Jack Eichel acquired for 2nd overall pick, flipped for Tuch, Krebs, Östlund and Greenway
• Taylor Hall acquired for nothing, flipped for Bjork and Kisakov
• Brandon montour acquired for a 1st-rounder (Brayden Tracey) and Brendan Guhle, flipped for Stiven Sardarian
• Eric Staal acquired for Marcus Johansson, flipped for Riley Stillman and Viljami Marjala
• Jake McCabe acquired for a 2nd, no return
• Linus Ullmark acquired for a 6th, no return
• Connor Sheary acquired for a 4th (Mattias Marcelli) flipped for Dominik Kahun
• Pominville and Scandella acquired for Foligno and Ennis, flipped for Michael Frolik
• Ryan O’Rielly acquired for Grigorenko, Zadorov, Compher and Jeremy Roy, flipped effectively for Thompson, Johnson and Colin Miller

The most notable thing to me here was the amount of assets frittered away by Botterill and during Adams first year.

Eichel, Reinhart, Ullmark, O’Reilly, Montour, McCabe, Foligno, Hall, Johansson, and Miller are all playing in the NHL right now.

In exchange the Sabres have Thompson, Tuch, Greenway, Krebs and Kulich.

This type of breakdown ignores the amount of time the players spent here. Depending on how many miles you put on the tires, of course the return is going to be less. 

[sabremike]

42 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Another one is Lehner acquired for a 1st, no return.

The McNabb deal is a perennial favourite around here.

I haven’t completely tracked the Kane deal trade tree, but I don’t think the Sabres have any assets left from that one.

Botterill was a disaster at managing assets and Adams squandered a lot of what was left in the Bubble.

Yes, the McCabe injury was a stroke of bad luck, and Botterill set him up for failure, but managing to turn Ullmark, McCabe and Montour into exactly nothing is a huge black mark against Adams that no one ever talks about.

 

The McCabe thing was incredible as he was injured attempting an absolutely filthy hit that if landed probably would've caused the Devils player to be seriously injured.

[Drag0nDan]

3 hours ago, dudacek said:

I think Cuylle and Schneider simply do not have Peterka’s upside.

Those two for Peterka and cap space is more fair value. 

Maybe add Clifton and a prospect for Kreider?

Miller is the guy the Rangers will be shopping, rather than Schneider.

Ive never seen a trade like this, but what do we think of Miller and Schnieder for Samuelsson and Byram?

Probably would need a prospect on buffalo's side, and would require them dumping some money somehow.  

[Archie Lee]

15 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said:

Probably would need a prospect on buffalo's side, and would require them dumping some money somehow.  

I haven’t seen any rumours, but I assume the Rangers are going to try and move Kreider. They found ways to move Goodrow and Trouba. Their cap issues would mostly be resolved if they can trade Kreider. 

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, shrader said:

This type of breakdown ignores the amount of time the players spent here. Depending on how many miles you put on the tires, of course the return is going to be less. 

Definitely is relevant.

[SabreFinn]

59 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

I haven’t seen any rumours, but I assume the Rangers are going to try and move Kreider. They found ways to move Goodrow and Trouba. Their cap issues would mostly be resolved if they can trade Kreider. 

There was rumours telling that at some point during the season, but I also remember hearing Kreider had some injury issues this season. Hard to know what to believe. A deal with both Kreider and Schneider could be a interesting package if Rangers really want Kreider gone.

[LGR4GM]

I'm still on the Noah Dobson train. 

 

[matter2003]

Pack it up, pack it in...

Let me begin...

 

Edited Monday at 08:16 PM by matter2003

[Pimlach]

22 hours ago, Ogelthorpe said:

Sabres past practice the return for Byram will be less then what KA gave up for him. 

He should be able to get more than Mitts for Byram, but we are the Buffalo Sabres so you will probably be right on this.

[Carmel Corn]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

He should be able to get more than Mitts for Byram, but we are the Buffalo Sabres so you will probably be right on this.

The Marco Scandella transactions come to mind!

[Mr. Allen]

3 hours ago, Pimlach said:

He should be able to get more than Mitts for Byram, but we are the Buffalo Sabres so you will probably be right on this.

The nice thing about the Bryam situation is he’s still under team control next year.  So if Adams doesn’t find the right trade he can sit and wait. 

[The Jokeman]

22 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I'm still on the Noah Dobson train. 

 

He'd be a great add, what are you suggesting to get him? Power and our #1 and...? or Byram, our #1 and...? Or you one of the crazies that thinks we should move on from JJP?

[Mr. Allen]

Pretty sure this is old news, but:

Report: Sabres shopping Bowen Byram  

The Sabres are "gauging the market" on Bowen Byram, per @FriedgeHNIC

[LGR4GM]

On 5/20/2025 at 2:26 PM, The Jokeman said:

He'd be a great add, what are you suggesting to get him? Power and our #1 and...? or Byram, our #1 and...? Or you one of the crazies that thinks we should move on from JJP?

Those ? After are overpays. Byram and 9th overall is a hell of a package. 

[dudacek]

I'm starting to believe the correct Byram move is to Calgary for Rasmus Andersson.

Calgary wants to get younger and needs a skilled top 4 LHD who can run their PP. Byram's the best one on the market

Buffalo wants to get older and needs a reliable top 4 RHD who can smooth the way for Owen Power. Andersson's the best one on the market.

I'm not sure what will be needed to balance the deal given the cap and the contract status of each player (Andersson is a year from UFA).

But the fit seems too good not to work the rest out.

Edited 9 hours ago by dudacek

[Weave]

4 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I'm starting to believe the correct Byram move is to Calgary for Rasmus Andersson.

Calgary wants to get younger and needs a skilled top 4 LHD who can run their PP. Byram's the best one on the market

Buffalo wants to get older and needs a reliable top 4 RHD who can smooth the way for Owen Power. Andersson's the best one on the market.

I'm not sure what will be needed to balance the deal given the cap and the contract status of each player (Andersson is a year from UFA).

But the fit seems too good not to work the rest out.

This is sounding like how I came to believe the Roy for Ott deal was too big a no brainer to not happen.  It is so easy to rationalize a Byram for Andersson deal that it has to happen, right?

[thewookie1]

12 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I'm starting to believe the correct Byram move is to Calgary for Rasmus Andersson.

Calgary wants to get younger and needs a skilled top 4 LHD who can run their PP. Byram's the best one on the market

Buffalo wants to get older and needs a reliable top 4 RHD who can smooth the way for Owen Power. Andersson's the best one on the market.

I'm not sure what will be needed to balance the deal given the cap and the contract status of each player (Andersson is a year from UFA).

But the fit seems too good not to work the rest out.

Andersson only has 1 year until UFA and had terrible numbers last year. Not exactly what we are looking to add

[dudacek]

14 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

Andersson only has 1 year until UFA and had terrible numbers last year. Not exactly what we are looking to add

I think you need to do a deeper dive into Andersson's underlying numbers and to watch him play.

The contract is definitely a thing that must be accounted for before making any deal.

[7+6=13]

59 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I think you need to do a deeper dive into Andersson's underlying numbers and to watch him play.

The contract is definitely a thing that must be accounted for before making any deal.

Which I believe, learning from the Reinhart trade, perfectly legal.  Right?

[thewookie1]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

I think you need to do a deeper dive into Andersson's underlying numbers and to watch him play.

The contract is definitely a thing that must be accounted for before making any deal.

He was a -38, the next closest was -17

Season Age Team Lg  GP  TOI          CF     CA      CF%      CF% rel    FF      FA           FF%     FF% rel        oZS%   dZS%

2023-24 27 CGY NHL 78 1858.5     2069 2007   50.8        -0.6        1500    1429       51.2     -0.6                54.8     45.2

2024-25 28 CGY NHL 81 1942.8      1987 2191    47.6          -6.4       1425    1577       47.5     -5.9                44.4    55.6

He also had 36 total hits last season

 

 

Weegar, the guy I'd want, led the team with +18, he did play the opposite start zone (56% offense), had nicer analytics and over 200 hits

Edited 7 hours ago by thewookie1

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, 7+6=13 said:

Which I believe, learning from the Reinhart trade, perfectly legal.  Right?

As long as it's after July 1, the Sabres (or any team) could have a contract worked out for a guy with 1 year remaining on his deal prior to, or post, making a trade for the player.  (The only exception is for players that have inked a 1 year deal.  (You have to wait until January 1 to work out a new follow-on deal for them.)  But why a guy who's contract has/will run out on July 1 would be signing a 1 year deal right around the new league year doesn't make a whole lot of sense on 1st glance.)

Edited 6 hours ago by Taro T

[Jorcus]

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

As long as it's after July 1, the Sabres (or any team) could have a contract worked out for a guy with 1 year remaining on his deal prior to, or post, making a trade for the player.  (The only exception is for players that have inked a 1 year deal.  (You have to wait until January 1 to work out a new follow-on deal for them.)  But why a guy who's contract has/will run out on July 1 would be signing a 1 year deal right around the new league year doesn't make a whole lot of sense on 1st glance.)

Typically a 1 year deal at that point would be the result of an arbitration hearing or a contract to avoid arbitration.

[Taro T]

4 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

Typically a 1 year deal at that point would be the result of an arbitration hearing or a contract to avoid arbitration.

Yes, but those usually are late July / early August.  By the time they roll around, Byram will likely have been traded.

[Pimlach]

5 hours ago, dudacek said:

I think you need to do a deeper dive into Andersson's underlying numbers and to watch him play.

The contract is definitely a thing that must be accounted for before making any deal.

Not a fan of Andersson.  The Sabres have proven to be better with only one Rasmus.  No to Rasmi.