Buffalo Bills 2025 Thread

[Indabuff]

23 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Happy Terry Pegula weekend.

[Crusader1969]

5 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I don’t know.  Depends on how Beane compares each draft class.  More likely, the deal wasn’t exactly as you describe it, or Beane did an assessment of what improvement he could get right now  versus cost and decided no.  

Firing Beane would be dumb.  

How many years of Josh Allen are you willing to waste?  1 more , 2 more , his entire career ? 

[Gatorman0519]

3 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I don’t know.  Depends on how Beane compares each draft class.  More likely, the deal wasn’t exactly as you describe it, or Beane did an assessment of what improvement he could get right now  versus cost and decided no.  

Firing Beane would be dumb.  

Josh has 4-5 years of prime left. I’m now seriously scared they are going to waste his career. Good but not great surrounding him. That’s not going to get it done. McDermott and Beane built this team to where it is and turned this dead franchise around but not good enough to get us through all the way it seems. I will just add it’s criminal to send him out there with a subpar WR corps. He was better off with Diggs, Beasley, and Brown. He’s back to where he was his rookie year. 

[Pimlach]

45 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said:

How many years of Josh Allen are you willing to waste?  1 more , 2 more , his entire career ? 

I’m not the GM, coach, or owner.  

I do think the should put better players around Allen, and they haven’t done that yet. 

[JoeSchmoe]

I've always thought Allen isn't the same QB when he's not a legitimate run threat. I haven't watched a lot yet this year (including today), but from what I've seen, there hasn't been many designed plays with him running.  For the few times they've tried it, it wasn't effective.

When defenses aren't respecting the run threat his receivers aren't able to get open like they do when he's more active.

[Crusader1969]

Do you still Trust the Process? 
I know I don't 

[Flashsabre]

Awful performance today. Injuries are getting too much.

Sounds like Beane went for it with Waddle and Williams but couldn’t get it done.

[Crusader1969]

59 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Awful performance today. Injuries are getting too much.

Sounds like Beane went for it with Waddle and Williams but couldn’t get it done.

They need to fire him and find someone that can get it done 

[Scottysabres]

I’ve read all the posts here and on TBD, spoken with peers at work, friends locally, spent a couple hrs speaking with friends from other fan bases I’ve worked with or just met and we became friends. After today’s performance and given the now track record of consistent failures, every one I spoke with today stated straight out fire the GM and coaching staff, bring in those who would get Josh and the Bills over the top. And they all said do it now, don’t wait, the clock on Josh is ticking, to much time has been wasted already.

Whether you agree or disagree, many people are now saying the same thing, a change is needed immediately.

[triumph_communes]

Injuries are on defense

 

problems are all offense

 

 

yes early on there were problems on defense  then McDermott started making calls  but there’s no equivalent savior for the offense 

 

its not a fair cover up like I’d argue it is for the Sabres 

Edited 7 hours ago by triumph_communes

[Doohickie]

13 hours ago, Crusader1969 said:

How many years of Josh Allen are you willing to waste?  1 more , 2 more , his entire career ? 

I'm starting to get the sense that we've already seen peak Josh Allen.

[Doohickie]

11 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

I've always thought Allen isn't the same QB when he's not a legitimate run threat. I haven't watched a lot yet this year (including today), but from what I've seen, there hasn't been many designed plays with him running.  For the few times they've tried it, it wasn't effective.

When defenses aren't respecting the run threat his receivers aren't able to get open like they do when he's more active.

Also yesterday:  Other than a couple of passes to Kincaid, all his passes were short.  If he's not stretching out the field, the safeties can clamp down.  It was stupid how blanketed the receivers were.

Edited 5 hours ago by Doohickie

[Taro T]

2 hours ago, triumph_communes said:

Injuries are on defense

 

problems are all offense

 

 

yes early on there were problems on defense  then McDermott started making calls  but there’s no equivalent savior for the offense 

 

its not a fair cover up like I’d argue it is for the Sabres 

Yes, the injuries (other than Kincaid's, and that's a kinda big one, and Palmer's) are on the defensive side of the ball.

Both of the fumbles came from trying to get extra yardage when the play was essentially over.    Might Cook and Allen have been trying to put the team on their back because after Jackson went down the D could not stop the Fish until the game was well into the 3rd Q?  (Not counting the 1 "drive" the Fish had when the cloudburst was happening.)

They weren't going 20-0.  Nobody in the AFC has fewer than 2 losses and the Cheats aren't as good as their record indicates.  Beat the Bucs then worry about the next one.  Get into the playoffs and hopefully have a relatively healthy squad by then.  And yeah, the offensive playcalling needs to be better and the execution needs to be better, both were in KC.  They CAN do it; they just actually have to do it.

[Gatorman0519]

49 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

I'm starting to get the sense that we've already seen peak Josh Allen.

Me too. I think the .13 second game was the high water mark. That should have been the year. Josh was unstoppable. 

[Pimlach]

9 hours ago, Scottysabres said:

I’ve read all the posts here and on TBD, spoken with peers at work, friends locally, spent a couple hrs speaking with friends from other fan bases I’ve worked with or just met and we became friends. After today’s performance and given the now track record of consistent failures, every one I spoke with today stated straight out fire the GM and coaching staff, bring in those who would get Josh and the Bills over the top. And they all said do it now, don’t wait, the clock on Josh is ticking, to much time has been wasted already.

Whether you agree or disagree, many people are now saying the same thing, a change is needed immediately.

Yes.  I’ve been hearing it.  

who do you bring in?   You fire Beane and you hire who?   And this is Terry Pegula doing the hiring.  Let’s remember that.  

Since 1960 the Bills have had maybe 3 or 4 good GMs.  

[JoeSchmoe]

2 hours ago, Doohickie said:

I'm starting to get the sense that we've already seen peak Josh Allen.

The shelf life of a mobile QB has never been the same as the true pocket QBs. 

[Scottysabres]

1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

Yes.  I’ve been hearing it.  

who do you bring in?   You fire Beane and you hire who?   And this is Terry Pegula doing the hiring.  Let’s remember that.  

Since 1960 the Bills have had maybe 3 or 4 good GMs.  

I don’t have any answers, merely commenting on what many are saying. I can say this much, there wasn’t a lot of love out there for Beane and McDermott before the season started given the past 4 or so seasons of failures, a couple of them in spectacular fashion (13 seconds, Diggs playoff game winning dropped pass), and the trade that sent Worthy to KC and Coleman here.

Allen needs help, not just on the field, but the play calling. That should be obvious to all by now. Allen, Cook, we have the tools for a balanced 1 - 2 punch offense, but lack in wr speed and, as it stands now, the inability of the OC to use the talent he has in a game plan. Just my view is all.

[Pimlach]

15 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:

I don’t have any answers, merely commenting on what many are saying. I can say this much, there wasn’t a lot of love out there for Beane and McDermott before the season started given the past 4 or so seasons of failures, a couple of them in spectacular fashion (13 seconds, Diggs playoff game winning dropped pass), and the trade that sent Worthy to KC and Coleman here.

Allen needs help, not just on the field, but the play calling. That should be obvious to all by now. Allen, Cook, we have the tools for a balanced 1 - 2 punch offense, but lack in wr speed and, as it stands now, the inability of the OC to use the talent he has in a game plan. Just my view is all.

Some people have been calling for McD to be canned ever since the "13 seconds" game.   Others have been calling for Beane for quite a long time too.  

From what we know Beane tried to upgrade this team and it didn't work out, probably because the players targeted were playing for division rivals.  Probably because he has no cap room either.  

Under Ralph C Wilson I have seen winning Bills organizations break up in almost every decade since their existence.  There is not one time that I can recall when blowing up a winning Bills organization has immediately produced a better one.   It always went the other way.  A winning GM/Coach leaves and the team degrades and becomes a losing team, often for prolonged periods of time.  

I have ZERO confidence that Pegula can fire Beane and replace him with someone that can do better.  

[calti]

Beasley was uncoverable .A tremendous weapon. But of course the Bills knew better. 

 

[LGR4GM]

3 minutes ago, calti said:

Beasley was uncoverable .A tremendous weapon. But of course the Bills knew better. 

 

They replaced him with McKenzie and then Shakir. The slot receiver is good but the scheme and rest is bad. No Brown, no Diggs. Kincaid is hurt. 

They should have drafted Ladd or even AD. They're gonna have to decide between LB and WR in the 1st this year and I'd go WR.

[Eleven]

5 minutes ago, calti said:

Beasley was uncoverable .A tremendous weapon. But of course the Bills knew better. 

 

So did the other 31 teams.  He played his last NFL game as a Buffalo Bill.

Criticism is more fairly directed at letting Diggs go, trading Worthy to the Chieves, and failing to address the WR position (other than Amari Cooper) in a meaningful way.  Indeed, it's like this:  Beane:Wide Receiver :: Adams:Goaltender

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, Eleven said:

So did the other 31 teams.  He played his last NFL game as a Buffalo Bill.

Criticism is more fairly directed at letting Diggs go, trading Worthy to the Chieves, and failing to address the WR position (other than Amari Cooper) in a meaningful way.  Indeed, it's like this:  Beane:Wide Receiver :: Adams:Goaltender

Worthy isn't good. 

[calti]

19 hours ago, TheAud said:

Josh is trying to carry this team on his shoulders. He is not the problem. 

I didnt say Josh is THE problem.   But there are QBs who have done better with avg WCs. I would like to see Josh control the play calling more.

Look at Kelly .

 

[Eleven]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

Worthy isn't good. 

Yes, he is.  And the Bills gave him to their biggest conference rival.  I know you don't like him, and I suspect that derives from wanting the Bills to be "right" on that trade.  But he is good and the Bills weren't right.

[Crusader1969]

2 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Yes.  I’ve been hearing it.  

who do you bring in?   You fire Beane and you hire who?   And this is Terry Pegula doing the hiring.  Let’s remember that.  

Since 1960 the Bills have had maybe 3 or 4 good GMs.  

You can't keep guys around who aren't good enough because you are scared of the alternatives.