Eleven Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, kas23 said: That would make it fairly far from being “done”. Just to be clear, my name is not Chad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 45 minutes ago, Eleven said: Andrew Peters apparently tweeted today that Dahlin only wants 5 years. I don't have the tweet & I deleted twitter, so ... Some speculation on the inter webs that it’s so Dahlin can maximize his value. I would guess that it’s actually so he has control of his career. The Pegula owned Sabres have put together maybe the worst decade of hockey the league has ever seen. It’s been historically bad. Pegula’s life is a mess at the moment. His wife is….. He’s been alleged to have said some terribly racist stuff. There’s been rumors for years he might sell the team. The Bills have a feeling that they might on ravel. If you’re Rasmus Dahlin, why the fork would you tie yourself to this franchise for a decade right now? Just my $0.02 1 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 Would I want a player like Dahlin tied up for 8 instead of 5? Sure do, especially for a D-man where their career peak years go a bit longer. Remember that he is under contract for another year and this extension would start a year from now...so if he signs for 5 years, you have him here for 6 more from the current time. That is a LOT of hockey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Eleven said: Andrew Peters apparently tweeted today that Dahlin only wants 5 years. I don't have the tweet & I deleted twitter, so ... Here you go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, Mango said: Some speculation on the inter webs that it’s so Dahlin can maximize his value. I would guess that it’s actually so he has control of his career. The Pegula owned Sabres have put together maybe the worst decade of hockey the league has ever seen. It’s been historically bad. Pegula’s life is a mess at the moment. His wife is….. He’s been alleged to have said some terribly racist stuff. There’s been rumors for years he might sell the team. The Bills have a feeling that they might on ravel. If you’re Rasmus Dahlin, why the fork would you tie yourself to this franchise for a decade right now? Just my $0.02 What does Dahlin care about the past. He's the future. He's the solution. Unless he doesn't believe in what Don and his teammates are putting together, which I find hard to accept. And what does the Bills "on ravelling" have to do with the Sabres? (It was one f***ing game!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: What does Dahlin care about the past. He's the future. He's the solution. Unless he doesn't believe in what Don and his teammates are putting together, which I find hard to accept. And what does the Bills "on ravelling" have to do with the Sabres? (It was one f***ing game!) I don't know that this is wholly true. Yes it is hockey/sport. But this is also a profession. As a senior at what I do; I understand somebody being hesitant to sign an 8 year deal when executive leadership in my division has seen quarter over quarter loses for nearly a decade. Yes, I would be happy to be apart of a team that had the first ever year of profit (1 winning season out of 4), but I am not sure I would sign away the next 10 years when there has still been speculation that the owner might sell the company off. Or at least I would give it some serious thought. If you look at the Allen game as an individual, sure it is just a thing that happened/happens. But when you look at the history of the Sabres, ... - wait the offense struggled more often than it should last year. - They were fairly flat in the playoffs. Their star WR threw two temper tantrums (playoffs and OTA's). - The expectations around this season. - The verbalization that that the QB was never more locked in than he is this year, only to be....well....not locked in.... - The team president is incapacitated for the foreseeable future and was removed. - The team owner was quoted as saying some not great stuff (albeit allegations) Dahlin may fully buy into Adams and Donnie. He probably does. But the Pegula run Sabres have created a situation where there is a lot more to it than that. I am not saying that Dahlin shouldn't sign. I am not saying he won't. But if it were me I would weigh the entire state of the Pegula Sabres/sports enterprise before I sign on the dotted line. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 So much for the "insiders" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted September 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalonill said: So much for the "insiders" So you are choosing to believe those who support your narrative as opposed to those who don’t. Cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted September 14, 2023 Report Share Posted September 14, 2023 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Here you go. LIke it or not, but matthews set the standard in this a bit, and its going to be hard to break this trend as a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted September 15, 2023 Report Share Posted September 15, 2023 10 hours ago, tom webster said: So you are choosing to believe those who support your narrative as opposed to those who don’t. Cool. What’s it going to take for you to admit you and your “source” are wrong? If he signs for 5 years are you going to hold firm and say a strong gust of wind came into the office and blew the contract into the shredder before it could be faxed to the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted September 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2023 43 minutes ago, #freejame said: What’s it going to take for you to admit you and your “source” are wrong? If he signs for 5 years are you going to hold firm and say a strong gust of wind came into the office and blew the contract into the shredder before it could be faxed to the league? I’ll admit I was wrong when it turns out I was wrong but the next time Andrew Peters is right about anything Sabre related will be the first time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porous Five Hole Posted September 15, 2023 Report Share Posted September 15, 2023 42 minutes ago, tom webster said: I’ll admit I was wrong when it turns out I was wrong but the next time Andrew Peters is right about anything Sabre related will be the first time. Peters got the Vegas trade right, but I presume that was because he’s so close to the Tuch family (he billeted Luke). Kind of a layup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted September 15, 2023 Report Share Posted September 15, 2023 2 hours ago, tom webster said: I’ll admit I was wrong when it turns out I was wrong but the next time Andrew Peters is right about anything Sabre related will be the first time. Regarding Peters: Not entirely true, but he is certainly hit and miss. I think when he hears something from someone he knows, he just puts it out there. I don’t think he really cares if he is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted September 15, 2023 Report Share Posted September 15, 2023 14 hours ago, tom webster said: So you are choosing to believe those who support your narrative as opposed to those who don’t. Cool. 2 hours ago, tom webster said: I’ll admit I was wrong when it turns out I was wrong but the next time Andrew Peters is right about anything Sabre related will be the first time. I just want to note that I'm not here to rub salt...I just wanted to post what I had heard from Peters. He's no more reliable than Chad is, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted September 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 hours ago, Eleven said: I just want to note that I'm not here to rub salt...I just wanted to post what I had heard from Peters. He's no more reliable than Chad is, IMO. The fact is that very few really know anything. You make assumptions because this guy knows the person that does the background check or that guy knows the lawyer reviewing the contracts or your friend knows the doctor scheduled for the physical. The only certainty is that these things don’t take months if dialogue. Contracts get done in less than an hour when free agency begans. It’s all just posturing and sound bites to feed the masses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted September 15, 2023 Report Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 minute ago, tom webster said: The fact is that very few really know anything. You make assumptions because this guy knows the person that does the background check or that guy knows the lawyer reviewing the contracts or your friend knows the doctor scheduled for the physical. The only certainty is that these things don’t take months if dialogue. Contracts get done in less than an hour when free agency begans. It’s all just posturing and sound bites to feed the masses. But you’ve been saying you know something for months now. Doesn’t the above contradict your previous points? Or are you one of the few that actually does know? I guess I’m just confused at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted September 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, #freejame said: But you’ve been saying you know something for months now. Doesn’t the above contradict your previous points? Or are you one of the few that actually does know? I guess I’m just confused at this point. It’s been two months and I still believe the deal was done around June 30th. Did something thing change, maybe. I guess we will find out what they want us to know when they release some embedded episode. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 15, 2023 Report Share Posted September 15, 2023 12 hours ago, tom webster said: I’ll admit I was wrong when it turns out I was wrong but the next time Andrew Peters is right about anything Sabre related will be the first time. Come on Fonzi. Say it......"I was wro, wro, wro....I was wro....I was wro.....NG!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getpucksdeep Posted September 15, 2023 Report Share Posted September 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, stinky finger said: Come on Fonzi. Say it......"I was wro, wro, wro....I was wro....I was wro.....NG!" All time favorite episode! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 Someone needs to get in Dahlin’s face tomorrow at Fanfest and find out what is going down😄 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAud Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 9/14/2023 at 3:57 PM, Mango said: I don't know that this is wholly true. Yes it is hockey/sport. But this is also a profession. As a senior at what I do; I understand somebody being hesitant to sign an 8 year deal when executive leadership in my division has seen quarter over quarter loses for nearly a decade. Yes, I would be happy to be apart of a team that had the first ever year of profit (1 winning season out of 4), but I am not sure I would sign away the next 10 years when there has still been speculation that the owner might sell the company off. Or at least I would give it some serious thought. If you look at the Allen game as an individual, sure it is just a thing that happened/happens. But when you look at the history of the Sabres, ... - wait the offense struggled more often than it should last year. - They were fairly flat in the playoffs. Their star WR threw two temper tantrums (playoffs and OTA's). - The expectations around this season. - The verbalization that that the QB was never more locked in than he is this year, only to be....well....not locked in.... - The team president is incapacitated for the foreseeable future and was removed. - The team owner was quoted as saying some not great stuff (albeit allegations) Dahlin may fully buy into Adams and Donnie. He probably does. But the Pegula run Sabres have created a situation where there is a lot more to it than that. I am not saying that Dahlin shouldn't sign. I am not saying he won't. But if it were me I would weigh the entire state of the Pegula Sabres/sports enterprise before I sign on the dotted line. I’m willing to bet that Diggs and Allen and the Bills in general are not on the list of top 100 things Dahlin gives a rats ass about in terms of his next contract. I can’t comprehend how you’re combining these things into one narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchConnection44 Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 So I am hearing that that Dahlin … … is close to signing. Really close. Very close. He’s on the verge … Almost 😅 Just … about … to … Pen … in hand. Straining … He’s there putting pen to … Pa … Apparently, the line … … on the paper … … is still … blank. 😒 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 Why can’t he just sign 8x10.5 it’s very fair and makes the fans happy while not handcuffing the team to a myriad of present and future issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: Why can’t he just sign 8x10.5 it’s very fair and makes the fans happy while not handcuffing the team to a myriad of present and future issues. He might be betting on the cap being in the upper $90m-$100m range in 2029 when his 5 year deal would be done. If he thinks he is a top 5 D-man in the league then, and in his prime, he will then be looking at a contract closer to $13 or $14m per year then. I'm guessing his thinking is why not get 5 years at $10 or $10.5 now..and then cash in 5 years later when as a D-man he will be in his prime AND the cap is likely to be much higher. From his point of view, long term he probably has more potential earnings going 5 instead of 8. Another thing to think about....Thompson and Cozens are likely to be this teams stars up front going forward. Their deals are done in 2030. If Dahlin signs an 8 year extension, his deal won't be done until 2032. He might want the 5 year deal so he is up again BEFORE Cozens and Thompson are up. He and his agent may not want them to 'take all the money', he may want to be first in line for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted September 16, 2023 Report Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 9/14/2023 at 7:50 PM, Huckleberry said: LIke it or not, but matthews set the standard in this a bit, and its going to be hard to break this trend as a team. One player is a trend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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