PromoTheRobot Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) https://www.sportico.com/feature/nhl-team-values-ranking-list-1234693065/ Sabres are worth $635 million, up 6%. But most of the league values increased by double digits. Edited November 1, 2022 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 Not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 Surprised they're that high on the list given the last 10 years. It's almost time for a new arena, built outside of the city Buffalo imho. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Surprised they're that high on the list given the last 10 years. It's almost time for a new arena, built outside of the city Buffalo imho. Why outside the city when you have all the public transit along with bars and restaurants downtown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Scottysabres said: Surprised they're that high on the list given the last 10 years. It's almost time for a new arena, built outside of the city Buffalo imho. I dont think they are getting a new Arena and I have no idea why building it outside of the Buffalo city limits would matter/be a good thing. If you built it right in the middle of amherst it might be easier for a few people to get to the game, but not a major impact. I do agree with you that I'm surprised they are that high. They are/have been at the bottom on attendence (and I'm sure as a result of that home-game revenue) for a while now. The Arena is old(er) and not really a good revenue generator compared to other ones around the league, and the team value is probably hurt by the fact that right now Buffalo is likely close to the bottom in terms of getting a shiny/new arena or major renovation to what they have. And finally, if they aren't the smallest market, they are sure close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getpucksdeep Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: https://www.sportico.com/feature/nhl-team-values-ranking-list-1234693065/ Sabres are worth $635 million, up 6%. But most of the league values increased by double digits. 'Ol Sugar Packets paid what? $60? Legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Why outside the city when you have all the public transit along with bars and restaurants downtown? Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Why not? Why build it outside the city? Especially with harbor center in existence Also they'll renovate the arena. Pegula isn't getting a new one unless he pays for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Does anyone know the percentage of people who use the transit to attend the games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmoe Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Scottysabres said: Why not? Are there really any other better locations? As a Canadian, I feel the downtown location is best for the convenience not only for me, but it's central location for most Buffalonians. The restaurant options and general atmosphere of the Canalside area add to the whole gameday experience as well. I love everything about it. People coming in from the Greater Rochester area might be the only ones to benefit from a more suburban location. Are there any recent examples of stadiums or arenas moving to the suburbs that proved to be a good financial decision? Edited November 2, 2022 by JoeSchmoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 41 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said: Are there really any other better locations? As a Canadian, I feel the downtown location is best for the convenience not only for me, but it's central location for most Buffalonians. The restaurant options and general atmosphere of the Canalside area add to the whole gameday experience as well. I love everything about it. People coming in from the Greater Rochester area might be the only ones to benefit from a more suburban location. Are there any recent examples of stadiums or arenas moving to the suburbs that proved to be a good financial decision? How about Niagara Falls, Ontario? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnC said: Does anyone know the percentage of people who use the transit to attend the games? It's not just transit. It's proximity to Harbor Center and the whole downtown vibe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 58 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: How about Niagara Falls, Ontario? No; the team isn't leaving for Canada or Niagara Falls, NY either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 I don't want the downtown arena removed, it can be utilized as the world's first pickle ball arena. I'd just like to see a new arena out next to the new stadium. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 8 hours ago, Scottysabres said: I don't want the downtown arena removed, it can be utilized as the world's first pickle ball arena. I'd just like to see a new arena out next to the new stadium. It's bad enough the new stadium is in OP. Are we going to double down on a bad decision? 9 hours ago, thewookie1 said: No; the team isn't leaving for Canada or Niagara Falls, NY either No. Probably not. But wouldn't NF, ON be an interesting location for a giant arena? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Scottysabres said: I don't want the downtown arena removed, it can be utilized as the world's first pickle ball arena. I'd just like to see a new arena out next to the new stadium. This would be a horrendous idea. No one wants to drive out to Orchard Park 41 times a year to watch hockey. 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: But wouldn't NF, ON be an interesting location for a giant arena? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 This arena can renovated and seating lowered to around 16K leaving a lot of room for enhancements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, tom webster said: This arena can renovated and seating lowered to around 16K leaving a lot of room for enhancements. You mean seating for 16k with room for another 1-2k in more general admission areas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 30 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: You mean seating for 16k with room for another 1-2k in more general admission areas? General admission, bigger seats, restaurants, other interactive entertainment, maybe a WNY sports historical museum, etc. Arenas are going to change dramatically over the next few years, it would be nice if Western New York got ahead of the curve for once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Once the final agreements are signed for the Bills Stadium, they will move forward with discussions on a new lease and renovations for Key Bank. As Tom mentioned, party decks and general admission arenas are the wave of the future in new stadiums and in renovations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 3 hours ago, tom webster said: General admission, bigger seats, restaurants, other interactive entertainment, maybe a WNY sports historical museum, etc. Arenas are going to change dramatically over the next few years, it would be nice if Western New York got ahead of the curve for once. They could build over Perry and South Park to allow room for expanded concourses. Since they are talking about renovating the D&W Terminal on South Park, why not incorporate that into the new arena? People could get on and off trains indoors and go right in. Best thing is they could do that work while games are still being played. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xzy89c Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 11/1/2022 at 9:49 PM, JoeSchmoe said: Are there really any other better locations? As a Canadian, I feel the downtown location is best for the convenience not only for me, but it's central location for most Buffalonians. The restaurant options and general atmosphere of the Canalside area add to the whole gameday experience as well. I love everything about it. People coming in from the Greater Rochester area might be the only ones to benefit from a more suburban location. Are there any recent examples of stadiums or arenas moving to the suburbs that proved to be a good financial decision? Atlanta Braves moved from downtown to location near suburbs and that has worked out great for them. Moved them closer to the fans who are north of Atlanta. That said, makes zero sense to move sabres out of downtown. Bigger question to me is how does buffalo keep Sabres and Bills. I don't think one fortune 500 company is in buffalo anymore. population dropping quickly in whole area. Which would we rather keep? I vote sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porous Five Hole Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 16 minutes ago, Xzy89c said: Atlanta Braves moved from downtown to location near suburbs and that has worked out great for them. Moved them closer to the fans who are north of Atlanta. That said, makes zero sense to move sabres out of downtown. Bigger question to me is how does buffalo keep Sabres and Bills. I don't think one fortune 500 company is in buffalo anymore. population dropping quickly in whole area. Which would we rather keep? I vote sabres. M&T Bank is a Fortune 500 company, but I get your point. This is also why it is so important that the Pegulas maintain ownership. There is no relocation risk for as long as they own the team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmoe Posted November 3, 2022 Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 20 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said: M&T Bank is a Fortune 500 company, but I get your point. This is also why it is so important that the Pegulas maintain ownership. There is no relocation risk for as long as they own the team. It's also important to leverage the regional aspect of the team. Yes, Buffalo is a small market at just over 1 million people. However, Rochester has 1 million in their greater area, and the Hamilton/Niagara area is well over 1 million. Tacking on the Greater Toronto area plus Kitchener-Waterloo, you've got one of the biggest population centers in all of North America within a 2 hour drive away... Likely in excess of 10 million people. The issue is attracting the fans that live in the 1-2 hour away radius. It's probably easier to do for football since the games are all on the weekend, and it's more of an event. But, if I'm the Pegulas, I'm going all out on attracting the outer markets for both hockey and football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2022 39 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said: It's also important to leverage the regional aspect of the team. Yes, Buffalo is a small market at just over 1 million people. However, Rochester has 1 million in their greater area, and the Hamilton/Niagara area is well over 1 million. Tacking on the Greater Toronto area plus Kitchener-Waterloo, you've got one of the biggest population centers in all of North America within a 2 hour drive away... Likely in excess of 10 million people. The issue is attracting the fans that live in the 1-2 hour away radius. It's probably easier to do for football since the games are all on the weekend, and it's more of an event. But, if I'm the Pegulas, I'm going all out on attracting the outer markets for both hockey and football. Hockey relies on fans within one hours drive. With restrictions lessened at the border I'm hoping we get more fans from St. Catherine's inward, especially on weekdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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