LGR4GM Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 If you draft Mitchkov, I'd get assurance that he'll come in 3 years and put Savoie or Östlund on the block. Savoie more than Östlund. At some point you just don't need more sub 5'11" wingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 Regarding Mitchkov.....who does he mostly resemble in terms of current NHL players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said: Regarding Mitchkov.....who does he mostly resemble in terms of current NHL players? Kucherov mixed with P Kane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 I’d be shocked if Michkov slides past the Caps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 Nit that I am putting any stock in the following but..... last night I dreamt that michkov was on the board at 13. Gmka passed and we drafted Dvorsky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 I think we are the perfect team to draft michkov - Our pipeline of forwards is pretty full, we afford to wait few years on him coming over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: I think we are the perfect team to draft michkov - Our pipeline of forwards is pretty full, we afford to wait few years on him coming over. I'm going to keep saying 2 things, at #13, 3 years away is basically a given for every player you draft. 2nd, if you draft Michkov, that means Savoie or Östlund should be traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: I'm going to keep saying 2 things, at #13, 3 years away is basically a given for every player you draft. 2nd, if you draft Michkov, that means Savoie or Östlund should be traded. Out of curiosity, why Savoie and Östlund? Is it because they may have value in a trade c/w poltapov/kisakov/rosen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 33 minutes ago, steveoath said: Out of curiosity, why Savoie and Östlund? Is it because they may have value in a trade c/w poltapov/kisakov/rosen? I think they have trade value. Kisakov I wouldn't trade because I think it sends a bad message to your other Russian prospects and you need Kisakov right now. Rosen, doesn't have the value and I think his speed is something the other 2 don't possess, making him a bit more unique. Poltapov I view as a different type of player altogether. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, steveoath said: Out of curiosity, why Savoie and Östlund? Is it because they may have value in a trade c/w poltapov/kisakov/rosen? Size concerns, as in he thinks we’d have too many small skill guys who’d get pushed off the puck too easily. I think he’s probably right, but I’d still draft Michkov: draft for talent, trade for roster construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 Just now, dudacek said: Size concerns, as in he thinks we’d have too many small skill guys who’d get pushed off the puck too easily. I think he’s probably right, but I’d still draft Michkov: draft for talent, trade for roster construction. Exactly. Draft Michkov but then move one of the smaller prospects with value to preferably add a defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Exactly. Draft Michkov but then move one of the smaller prospects with value to preferably add a defender. Not sure where I am with Benson, but I’d think the same logic applies. He’s not what we need at all, but if he slips to 13 the value is probably too much to ignore. Perreault is the same script, although, unlike Benson, there will probably be other guys available at 13 who are as good as he is. Edited June 17, 2023 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 And the above is pretty much part of why I’m leaning towards trading the pick: There are lots of intriguing players available around 13, who will be great adds to our asset pool. Not sure if any of them make me go “that’s the piece we are missing.” You’re never beyond the need for adding assets, and you never get stupid about blowing up your pipeline. But we’ve reached the time where roster building takes precedence. If 13 is the price we have to pay to fill in our missing pieces, pay it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Exactly. Draft Michkov but then move one of the smaller prospects with value to preferably add a defender. Are we trading up in rd 1 to draft Michkov cuz I would be shocked if he lasted past pick 7 or 8?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: Are we trading up in rd 1 to draft Michkov cuz I would be shocked if he lasted past pick 7 or 8?! I'm not. This was if he falls to 13th. If Benson or Mitchkov fell to 13, draft them and trade one of the other smaller prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: Are we trading up in rd 1 to draft Michkov cuz I would be shocked if he lasted past pick 7 or 8?! Gotta think GMKA is talking teams about moving up. I don't think Michkov makes it past Washington. Edit: assuming the Sabres view his talent as 1st/2nd Overall equivalent. Edited June 17, 2023 by steveoath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, steveoath said: Gotta think GMKA is talking teams about moving up. I don't think Michkov makes it past Washington. Edit: assuming the Sabres view his talent as 1st/2nd Overall equivalent. I feel like the media has kinda hand-waved Michkov as “Russian issues” and has provided very little insight as to what he is as a player and a person. Before the war,when he was playing against his peers in this draft he was a clear #2, if not a 1B. We live in a world where even top draft picks take 2 or 3 years to make the jump, so I don’t see why his Russian contract is a huge concern. Russian players are still coming. We just added 2. Why are scouts saying “he’s going to get someone fired?” Is he a diva? A puck hog? A talent who got overrated early like Wright but hasn’t progressed? Is he tied up with the oligarchs? If he has a good chance to be Nikita Kucherov, there’s no way he shouldn’t be in consideration for the 2nd pick. What’s the real story on this guy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, dudacek said: What’s the real story on this guy? I don't think anyone really knows. Interestingly it was mentioned that he will be at the draft and trams are trying to book meetings with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, dudacek said: I feel like the media has kinda hand-waved Michkov as “Russian issues” and has provided very little insight as to what he is as a player and a person. Before the war,when he was playing against his peers in this draft he was a clear #2, if not a 1B. We live in a world where even top draft picks take 2 or 3 years to make the jump, so I don’t see why his Russian contract is a huge concern. Russian players are still coming. We just added 2. Why are scouts saying “he’s going to get someone fired?” Is he a diva? A puck hog? A talent who got overrated early like Wright but hasn’t progressed? Is he tied up with the oligarchs? If he has a good chance to be Nikita Kucherov, there’s no way he shouldn’t be in consideration for the 2nd pick. What’s the real story on this guy? Would be surprised if he falls to 13. IF he gets past the Caps wouldn't mind seeing them move up slightly to grab him. (Getting a guy that could be 1st overall were the draft to NOT include Bedard and were geopolitics different is a good thing.) Wouldn't be willing to trade up ahead of Washington because it'll likely cost too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, steveoath said: I don't think anyone really knows. Interestingly it was mentioned that he will be at the draft and trams are trying to book meetings with him. Pleased to meet you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted June 17, 2023 Report Share Posted June 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Pleased to meet you. Dammit! You win this time fat fingers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 6 hours ago, steveoath said: I don't think anyone really knows. Interestingly it was mentioned that he will be at the draft and trams are trying to book meetings with him. And that’s the biggest problem. There are many great players in this draft and the teams with the most holes are picking first. Does a GM of one of these train wrecks have the luxury of selecting a question mark, especially one that is wearing 3 year handcuffs? These GMs not only need to do best for their team, but also themselves. The median tenure of a NHL GM is 4 years. This player didn’t sound that enthused about playing in the NHL (my focus is on my current team…) and isn’t currently meeting with teams. Is the risk really worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 I'd guess Michkov weighs more than what EP shows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: I'd guess Michkov weighs more than what EP shows He looks Phil Kessel fat im starting to wonder maybe that's why he didn’t come over for testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 18, 2023 Report Share Posted June 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: He looks Phil Kessel fat im starting to wonder maybe that's why he didn’t come over for testing. Most if not all the top Russians weren't at the combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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