dudacek Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: More so than Power but this is a flawed argument. We aren't drafting over multiple years. This idea that we must compare Power or Beniers to the other drafts because first overall is awful. You can't draft the players from previous drafts so it is irrelevant. Further more we know more about the players from every other draft because they have played more, some in the NHL. "Oh hey! Would you take Beniers or Lafrienere? You said they are both first overall... ummm Lafrienere because I know what he is more... WHAT about Jack Hughes or Rasmus Dahlin compared to 2021!?!?! ... Well I would take both because again, I know what they are." Someone from this draft will be as good as most of the players from better (deeper) drafts. The key is making sure you get that player. Since you asked about being elite by being a complete player, Matt Beniers is a far more complete player than Owen Power. Could that change in 3 years, sure but with Beniers work ethic, I will take my chances. I think you missed the intent of my question. I'm trying to increase my understanding of Beniers upside. Bergeron is not a conventional #1C, but he is a #1C. Could we one day say the same thing about Beniers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, dudacek said: I think you missed the intent of my question. I'm trying to increase my understanding of Beniers upside. Bergeron is not a conventional #1C, but he is a #1C. Could we one day say the same thing about Beniers? Yes, I think so. I have a hard time saying that for any prospect. Bergeron is probably a hall of fame guy or close to it and has been excellent for year. Will Beniers be that good, that's tough but he has the potential. Power has the potential to be Pientrangelo in comparison so it all depends on which you value more and which you think more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) @LLysowski The Sabres’ debate at No. 1 will include three players from @umichhockey: Owen Power, Matty Beniers and Kent Johnson. Looking like that jack quinn draft Edited June 9, 2021 by Buffalonill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: @LLysowski The Sabres’ debate at No. 1 will include three players from @umichhockey: Owen Power, Matty Beniers and Kent Johnson. Looking like that jack quinn draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Who the ***** is Kent Johnson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, WildCard said: Who the ***** is Kent Johnson I know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, WildCard said: Who the ***** is Kent Johnson Our 1st overall pick of course lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, WildCard said: Who the ***** is Kent Johnson Don't worry about him, he won't be picked but Kent Johnson is Beniers linemate. He's probably going to get drafted in the 8-12 range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Annoying part about this story is it doesn't mention that Johnson has 14 second assists and 10 of those were at 5v5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) Just to clarify, Lance isn’t saying those are the only 3 players they are debating for 1 OA. He talked to the Michigan goalies about the three players that will be top 10 picks in the draft that all play for Michigan. I think the real debate will be Power, Beniers or maybe Eklund. I don’t even know who the their European scout is at this point. Eklund hasn’t had much exposure this season over here. He didn’t play in the WJCs and was supposed to play in the WCs but got injured. Not many 5’10 LW go first overall. He doesn’t have the Patrick Kane level of skill to push him over the top. It is a weird draft and a weird year though so who knows. Edited June 9, 2021 by Flashsabre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Don't worry about him, he won't be picked but Jack Quinn is Rossi linemate. He's probably going to get drafted in the 8-12 range. Looks familiar guys. Edited June 9, 2021 by Buffalonill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: Looks familiar guys. Jack Quinn was not Marco Rossi's linemate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Jack Quinn was not Marco Rossi's linemate. Should have said teammates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 30 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: Just to clarify, Lance isn’t saying those are the only 3 players they are debating for 1 OA. He talked to the Michigan goalies about the three players that will be top 10 picks in the draft that all play for Michigan. I think the real debate will be Power, Beniers or maybe Eklund. I don’t even know who the their European scout is at this point. Eklund hasn’t had much exposure this season over here. He didn’t play in the WJCs and was supposed to play in the WCs but got injured. Not many 5’10 LW go first overall. He doesn’t have the Patrick Kane level of skill to push him over the top. It is a weird draft and a weird year though so who knows. We do have a Euro scout, Anders Forsberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Reminder that I’ve called Kent Johnson as the pick lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thorny said: Reminder that I’ve called Kent Johnson as the pick lol I'll buy and ship a you hat if you're right. Edited June 10, 2021 by LGR4GM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 Listening to Rivet try to compare Hedman to Power makes me nauseous. Anyways... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 ^pretty notable. Lot of work to do with Power. Adams seems to not only be ok with that, but actively seeks it (“best player down the line”). Is it smart for this franchise to put that much stock in their development abilities? Actually asking. It does seem to me that Power will be the pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) Since I said something bad about Power, here is something good. The numbers for his freshmen season are good (not great) and I would leave him at Michigan one further season. I think digging into the production that if you allow him to develop another year before the NHL he might be able to improve his offense which has some issues that could be corrected in time. Specifically I think his transitions and zone passing are good but can be improved upon at the lower NCAA level. He's got the potential to be an assist machine. Further this would also allow some of his defensive issues to get rounded out basically polishing a player that does have issues with his game. 2 minutes ago, Thorny said: ^pretty notable. Lot of work to do with Power. Adams seems to not only be ok with that, but actively seeks it (“best player down the line”). Is it smart for this franchise to put that much stock in their development abilities? Actually asking. It does seem to me that Power will be the pick Adams will look at the perceived ceiling of a player and go from there. Power's ceiling I think is a bit lower than some want to admit (aka he's not hedman). Edited June 10, 2021 by LGR4GM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Since I said something bad about Power, here is something good. The numbers for his freshmen season are good (not great) and I would leave him at Michigan one further season. I think digging into the production that if you allow him to develop another year before the NHL he might be able to improve his offense which has some issues that could be corrected in time. Specifically I think his transitions and zone passing are good but can be improved upon at the lower NCAA level. His got the potential to be an assist machine. Further this would also allow some of his defensive issues to get rounded out basically polishing a player that does have issues with his game. Adams will look at the perceived ceiling of a player and go from there. Power's ceiling I think is a bit lower than some want to admit (aka he's not hedman). But I’m thinking, maybe he should be looking at “floor”. And maybe that leans Power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Since I said something bad about Power, here is something good. The numbers for his freshmen season are good (not great) and I would leave him at Michigan one further season. I think digging into the production that if you allow him to develop another year before the NHL he might be able to improve his offense which has some issues that could be corrected in time. Specifically I think his transitions and zone passing are good but can be improved upon at the lower NCAA level. His got the potential to be an assist machine. Further this would also allow some of his defensive issues to get rounded out basically polishing a player that does have issues with his game. Chris Peters talks about Defenseman returning to College after being drafted and how to assisted with Their Development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Listening to Rivet try to compare Hedman to Power makes me nauseous. Anyways... FTFY Just now, Brawndo said: Chris Peters talks about Defenseman returning to College after being drafted and how to assisted with Their Development. That is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 Was golfing so this is late but a good read: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 4 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Was golfing so this is late but a good read: Just circling around to this. Some notable stuff I liked from it: He shows a ton of confidence in the interview. He notes on multiple occasions he felt like he belonged among the pros there and didn't need to get amped up by any particular person/player/coach/moment to play at a high level. Quote Who was the toughest player you faced? "Probably [Vladimir] Tarasenko from Russia. Obviously, he's a real good NHLer and I thought he was pretty tough to play against with how strong he is and how dangerous he was." What was your mindset when you had to be out there with him? "I don't think I had that much of a different mindset. Like I said before, you can't play scared. You got to go out there and play and keep a tight gap. If you give those players a lot of space they're just going to take advantage of it, so try and keep a tight gap and give him no space to make plays." You see him say he's confident in his game and has improved a lot but also acknowledges the work ahead of him to take the next step. Quote How much potential do you see in the offensive side of your game? "I see a lot. It's nowhere near where I think it can get. It's just going to continue to get better and that's something I focus on working on in the summer. I think there's tons of room for improvement." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 If Adams passes on him it's conclusive proof he is the most dangerous type of executive in all of pro sports: The village idiot who thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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