Buffalonill Posted July 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Curt said: I don’t think that’s the case. Plenty of other Russian players have signed contracts to come over to the NHL this offseason. None of them have been arrested apart from Fedotov. I think we need to ask what makes this particular case different. CSKA is Military they don't ***** around i'm worred about Matvei they own his rights. Edited July 2, 2022 by Buffalonill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 23 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: CSKA is Military they don't ***** around i'm worred about Matvei they own his rights. Im not because we won't be in the running to draft Michkov and he's signed through the 2025/26 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: CSKA is Military they don't ***** around i'm worred about Matvei they own his rights. I’m worried about your punctuation usage. Edited July 2, 2022 by Curt 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 Fedorov’s contract was up and he was signed by the Flyers after the World Championships. Sounds like everything was above board. Perhaps all they want is more money from the Flyers. My guess is the Russian government is clamping down on people leaving and keeping an elite level athlete is a form of retaliation vs the countries that have imposed sanctions. Teams will be wary of drafting Russians more than ever. Maybe CSKA is where this can be enforced but who knows what measures they can take. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 30 minutes ago, Curt said: I’m worried about your punctuation usage. Me too 38 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Im not because we won't be in the running to draft Michkov and he's signed through the 2025/26 season. If we dont get a legit goalie we will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: Me too If we dont get a legit goalie we will be. No we won't. We didn't have a legit goalie last year, half he team was on IR, and they still managed to claw and fight their way to 9th worst. This team is going to be a bubble team and again, I don't worry about a player that will have 3 more years in Russia regardless of who drafts him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: No we won't. We didn't have a legit goalie last year, half he team was on IR, and they still managed to claw and fight their way to 9th worst. This team is going to be a bubble team and again, I don't worry about a player that will have 3 more years in Russia regardless of who drafts him. Ok let's see what happens with out a legit goalie again. We're not the avalanche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, French Collection said: Fedorov’s contract was up and he was signed by the Flyers after the World Championships. Sounds like everything was above board. Perhaps all they want is more money from the Flyers. My guess is the Russian government is clamping down on people leaving and keeping an elite level athlete is a form of retaliation vs the countries that have imposed sanctions. Teams will be wary of drafting Russians more than ever. Maybe CSKA is where this can be enforced but who knows what measures they can take. Fedotov’s KHL contract was up? Not to be a pain, but do you have a source for this? I did a search and didn’t come up with the info. I’m interested in that particular piece of information because I think it’s an important point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 51 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: No we won't. We didn't have a legit goalie last year, half he team was on IR, and they still managed to claw and fight their way to 9th worst. This team is going to be a bubble team and again, I don't worry about a player that will have 3 more years in Russia regardless of who drafts him. The issue for the Russian prospects isn't so much whether they will be drafted as it is how it affects where they will be drafted? It wouldn't be surprising that if a drafting team has a choice of taking a non-Russian prospect in the same tier of a Russian player, the team will take the non-Russian player because there is less possible complication. On the other hand, with a team like the Sabres who have a lot of picks they are in a good position to take a highly rated Russian and deal with the added risks and complications. Miro at the 28 spot would be a steal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digger Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 22 hours ago, Brawndo said: I wonder how this changes things If at all But this isn't anything new is it (the requirement for military service)? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly but I thought there are a number of countries that have a military requirement. I though Ristolainen had to complete his before coming to the Sabres (maybe only 6 months). I'm pretty sure countries like Finland and Sweden have a military commitment (or assessment) when they turn 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 23 hours ago, Brawndo said: I wonder how this changes things If at all The timing of this isn’t a coincidence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, kas23 said: The timing of this isn’t a coincidence. Russia sending a message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 https://www.ontheforecheck.com/2022/7/1/23191071/2022-nhl-entry-draft-july-ranking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Curt said: Fedotov’s KHL contract was up? Not to be a pain, but do you have a source for this? I did a search and didn’t come up with the info. I’m interested in that particular piece of information because I think it’s an important point. My mistake, I cannot find a source that says his contract was up. Because he signed with Philly I assumed he was a FA. Newsweek says he self term8nated his contract with CSKA, that would trigger a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, French Collection said: My mistake, I cannot find a source that says his contract was up. Because he signed with Philly I assumed he was a FA. Newsweek says he self term8nated his contract with CSKA, that would trigger a response. If it’s true that he attempted to “self terminate” his contract, whatever that even really means, then I can understand why this happened. Russian players are not going to be able to come to North America until their KHL contracts are completed. I think that’s generally already been accepted as fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, Curt said: If it’s true that he attempted to “self terminate” his contract, whatever that even really means, then I can understand why this happened. Russian players are not going to be able to come to North America until their KHL contracts are completed. I think that’s generally already been accepted as fact. Was going to say something to this effect. You stated it better. 🍺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 5 hours ago, LGR4GM said: No we won't. We didn't have a legit goalie last year, half he team was on IR, and they still managed to claw and fight their way to 9th worst. This team is going to be a bubble team and again, I don't worry about a player that will have 3 more years in Russia regardless of who drafts him. The Sabres were not a bubble team last year. I agree with you that they should be a bubble team this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 26 minutes ago, JohnC said: The Sabres were not a bubble team last year. I agree with you that they should be a bubble team this year. Thus his inclusion of the word "AND" between "team" and "again." Again was referring to his being repetitive with his comments about Russian Players, NOT that the Sabres were a bubble team last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 2, 2022 Report Share Posted July 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Taro T said: Thus his inclusion of the word "AND" between "team" and "again." Again was referring to his being repetitive with his comments about Russian Players, NOT that the Sabres were a bubble team last year. I went back and reread his post. You are correct that I misread his comment. Would you deliver an apology for me. I don't want to antagonize him because sometimes he can get a little ornery. 😃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 On 7/2/2022 at 5:35 AM, Curt said: I don’t think that’s the case. Plenty of other Russian players have signed contracts to come over to the NHL this offseason. None of them have been arrested apart from Fedotov. I think we need to ask what makes this particular case different. I guess I expect the worst from Putin's Russia. Haven't heard any other problems.... Yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 30 minutes ago, ddaryl said: I guess I expect the worst from Putin's Russia. Haven't heard any other problems.... Yet I don’t get the optimism. I expect that these stories will only become more numerous as the war in Ukraine continues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, ddaryl said: I guess I expect the worst from Putin's Russia. Haven't heard any other problems.... Yet 23 minutes ago, Weave said: I don’t get the optimism. I expect that these stories will only become more numerous as the war in Ukraine continues. I don’t know what’s going to happen exactly, I just wouldn’t want to be too reactionary and overly cautious. Yes, I could see this happening again to a KHL player who tries to tear up his KHL contract in favor of the NHL, especially CSKA players, but I don’t think it will occur with players who finish out their KHL contracts. Who knows what the situation will be like in a couple years? Could be better, could be worse. Putin might not even be in power or even alive by the time these prospects are turning 21-22. If other teams are going to be extremely averse to drafting Russians, you might be able to get real leg up by drafting them a round or two or three below their talent level. I would take the risk in some instances. This is quite a good crop of Russian prospects too, much better than average. I don’t really care if it takes them 4 years to get over to the NHL. They could show up as near fully developed 22-23 year olds ready to contribute (while on an ELC too). Edited July 3, 2022 by Curt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted July 3, 2022 Report Share Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) Was listening to some podcast today and they mentioned that younger players are exempt from this national service as they count as students. As Fedotov was older he has to complete his service. I'm sure the CSKA association did not help in his case. But I'm not too sure that all players attempting to head to the NHL will be conscripted. I will add a link to the podcast when I remember which one..... This is the one - https://podcastaddict.com/episode/141949906 is discussed within the first 3 minutes or so. Edited July 3, 2022 by steveoath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 Idk this draft is weird and I haven't had as much time for it as I would like. Oddly I have had way more resources than normal so maybe this will all come together anyways. There is probably an error somewhere in here but it's 24 hours to the draft and I don't feel like working on this anymore. I think I have created better rankings in the past though but anyways... Here is Liger's Lads for the 2022 NHL entry draft @rakish 1 Shane Wright (C) 2 Logan Cooley (C) 3 Simon Nemec (RHD) 4 David Jiricek (RHD) 5 Juraj Slafkovský (LW) 6 Frank Nazar (C/RW) 7 Pavel Mintyukov (LHD) 8 Liam Öhgren (LW) 9 Matthew Savoie (C) 10 Marco Kasper (C) 11 Denton Mateychuk (LHD) 12 Joakim Kemell (RW) 13 Danila Yurov (RW) 14 Jonathan Lekkerimäki (RW) 15 Cutter Gauthier (C/LW) 16 Owen Beck (C) 17 Isaac Howard (LW) 18 Kevin Korchinski (D) 19 Jiri Kulich (C) 20 Gleb Trikozov (C/RW) 21 Jagger Firkus (RW) 22 Conor Geekie (C) 23 Rutger McGroarty (C) 24 Noah Östlund (C) 25 Ivan Miroshnichenko (LW) 26 Brad Lambert (C/RW) 27 Nathan Gaucher (C) 28 Ryan Chesley (RHD) 29 Jimmy Snuggerud (W) 30 Calle Odelius (LHD) 31 Owen Pickering (LHD) 32 Mattias Hävelid (RHD) 33 Lane Hutson LHD 34 Filip Mesar W/C 35 David Goyette C 36 Daniil Zhilkin C 37 Vinzenz Rohrer RW 38 Adam Ingram C/LW 39 Christian Kyrou LHD 40 Hunter Haight C/RW 41 Adam Sykora LW/RW 42 Devin Kaplan RW 43 Cameron Lund C/RW 44 Filip Bystedt C 45 Lian Bichsel LHD 46 Jack Hughes C 47 Luca Del Bel Belluz C 48 Jani Nyman LW 49 Alexander Perevalov LW 50 Julian Lutz LW/RW 51 Sam Rinzel RHD 52 Michael LaStarza LW 53 Jordan Gustafson LW 54 Beau Jelsma LW 55 Nicholas Moldenhauer C/RW 56 Fraser Minten LW 57 Pano Fimis C 58 Servác Petrovský C 59 Reid Schaefer LW 60 Tristan Luneau RHD 61 Seamus Casey RHD 62 Bryce McConnell-Barker C 63 Logan Morrison (OA) C 64 Paul Ludwinski C 65 Noah Warren RHD 66 Alex Sotek RW 67 Michael Fisher RHD 68 Mikey Milne (OA) LW 69 Vladimir Grudinin LHD 70 Jordan Dumais LW 71 Hudson Thornton LHD 72 Elias Salomonsson RHD 73 Owen Van Steensel LW 74 Marcus Nguyen RW 75 Rieger Lorenz C 76 Daimon Gardner C 77 Ty Nelson RHD 78 Ryan Healey RHD 79 Avery Hayes (OA) C/RW 80 Zach Bookman (OA) RHD 81 Kenta Isogai LW Key: RHD = Right Handed Defender LHD = Left Handed Defender RW = Right Wing LW = Left Wing W = Winger C = Center OA = Overager 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 7, 2022 Report Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) Write ups on the European players including the Russians. Free. Edited July 7, 2022 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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