MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 Thought this might interest some posters ( or not). https://www.teamworkonline.com/multiple-properties/buffalosports/buffalo-sabres-29560/manager-of-fan-development-1975957 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 Maybe @PASabreFan would be interested if they would let him work remotely, eh? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 Captain PMA of Sabrespace 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 They should hire Thena745 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 Winning might eliminate the need for the position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted September 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, Brawndo said: They should hire Thena745 I think they were already employed by PSE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: I think they were already employed by PSE. They stopped posting already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: I think they were already employed by PSE. ‘‘Twas a joke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 That is so typical of these owners. Bassackwards Answer to every survey this person sends out.........."start winning games". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) I wonder what this job pays? Probably not enough. Edited September 24, 2020 by Mustache of God 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 I know someone who used to work for PSE and one of the "perks" was free Sabres tickets, but they were never informed that when they took the ticket they had to pay taxes of the face value of the tickets. Should have just paid $5 on stubhub to watch the team lose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 14 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: That is so typical of these owners. Bassackwards Answer to every survey this person sends out.........."start winning games". How so? Should the Sabres not have a marketing department? Do you not think every NHL team has people in roles like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoner Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 3 hours ago, nfreeman said: How so? Should the Sabres not have a marketing department? Do you not think every NHL team has people in roles like this? Master of the strawman. Strawmaster, perhaps. Not to speak for PF, but the criticism isn't about having a marketing department. It's of the need to "develop" a fanbase in what is universally considered a great hockey market. Only one thing is missing, and we all know what it is. If Guinness started making ***** beer, you wouldn't insult the people of Ireland by naming a director of drinker development. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruff Around The Edges Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 21 hours ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Thought this might interest some posters ( or not). https://www.teamworkonline.com/multiple-properties/buffalosports/buffalo-sabres-29560/manager-of-fan-development-1975957 Do they pay in Pegula Bucks or actual legal tender? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted September 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Ruff Around The Edges said: Do they pay in Pegula Bucks or actual legal tender? Fracking rights. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoner Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 I think I know what KPIs are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruff Around The Edges Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: I think I know what KPIs are. Kim Performance Incentives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 7 hours ago, nfreeman said: How so? Should the Sabres not have a marketing department? Do you not think every NHL team has people in roles like this? Of course they do. I'm merely saying marketing should be secondary to putting good product on the ice rather than the other way around. A good team needs less marketing. Obviously a strong organization is strong in all areas but I think you build the foundation before you build the house, and the foundation is a team associated with winning not losing. It's totally backwards when you have a bloodletting of hockey staff, treat alumni like crap, and take fans for granted, and then turn your attention to better marketing. It's a corporate business approach rather than a sports franchise approach. (After covid) win and the fans will come, the revenues will grow, you'll have success, and then you build on that with more and more and that's where the creative marketing should come in, not as an excuse or alternative to just winning. Don't forget that simply making the playoffs is worth millions to a franchise in added revenue and merchandise sales. All that revenue can then be used in a feedback loop way to grow and grow and grow. Just win baby, just win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted September 24, 2020 Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 5 hours ago, PASabreFan said: If Guinness started making ***** beer, you wouldn't insult the people of Ireland by naming a director of drinker development. I want that job anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: Of course they do. I'm merely saying marketing should be secondary to putting good product on the ice rather than the other way around. A good team needs less marketing. Obviously a strong organization is strong in all areas but I think you build the foundation before you build the house, and the foundation is a team associated with winning not losing. It's totally backwards when you have a bloodletting of hockey staff, treat alumni like crap, and take fans for granted, and then turn your attention to better marketing. It's a corporate business approach rather than a sports franchise approach. (After covid) win and the fans will come, the revenues will grow, you'll have success, and then you build on that with more and more and that's where the creative marketing should come in, not as an excuse or alternative to just winning. Don't forget that simply making the playoffs is worth millions to a franchise in added revenue and merchandise sales. All that revenue can then be used in a feedback loop way to grow and grow and grow. Just win baby, just win! You seem to be assuming that they are focused on marketing and not on building a better team. I don't see anything to support this assumption. They haven't succeeded in building a good team, but what specifically is there to indicate that they aren't trying? Did they not just trade for a legit player to fill their biggest need on the ice? Do you think the hockey staff bloodletting means they don't want to build a good team? That hockey staff delivered a terrible team for an extended period of time. It's much more likely that they are focused both on improving the team and on marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorner Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 6:50 PM, Thorny said: This isn't a thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 hour ago, nfreeman said: You seem to be assuming that they are focused on marketing and not on building a better team. I don't see anything to support this assumption. They haven't succeeded in building a good team, but what specifically is there to indicate that they aren't trying? Did they not just trade for a legit player to fill their biggest need on the ice? Do you think the hockey staff bloodletting means they don't want to build a good team? That hockey staff delivered a terrible team for an extended period of time. It's much more likely that they are focused both on improving the team and on marketing. I don't see anything to support the assumption that they are trying to build a better team. The Staal trade is there, but it's actually a cost saving move. It might make the team better (maybe) but so far the only signings have saved money. I'm going to wait for the additions, not the subtractions, before I think they are trying to win now. No evidence at this point. We don't actually know (yet) if JBot's drafting was bad yet the scouts are all gone. Do they think our younger prospect pool sucks? Some people think JBot's picks show promise. All I know for sure is you don't build a winning franchise without good drafting. I've said several times I'm one of those fans that has reached my limit on patience. I'm no longer capable of hope and faith. I'm at the show me and prove it stage. They do that, I'm in, but I have to see it. Maybe get back to this after free agency starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said: I don't see anything to support the assumption that they are trying to build a better team. The Staal trade is there, but it's actually a cost saving move. It might make the team better (maybe) but so far the only signings have saved money. I'm going to wait for the additions, not the subtractions, before I think they are trying to win now. No evidence at this point. We don't actually know (yet) if JBot's drafting was bad yet the scouts are all gone. Do they think our younger prospect pool sucks? Some people think JBot's picks show promise. All I know for sure is you don't build a winning franchise without good drafting. I've said several times I'm one of those fans that has reached my limit on patience. I'm no longer capable of hope and faith. I'm at the show me and prove it stage. They do that, I'm in, but I have to see it. Maybe get back to this after free agency starts. Well, I totally agree that until they actually deliver good results, we shouldn't assume that they're going to do so, or that they have the right people in place to do so. My point was just that it would be pretty strange if they were actually prioritizing marketing over winning, and I have a hard time believing that they are doing so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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