Randall Flagg Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 No he isn’t and it’s not even close Yes he is, he's better at defense, and when he transitions he doesn't just chuck the puck out to the opposing defensemen at center ice like Risto is so fond of doing. For all the trade value our guys have, it's a wonder that we were by far the worst team in the league this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor of Philhousley Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 ROR + Risto for Klefbom, Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, Hall nah this trade ain't gonna work. I would like something like Risto, McCabe for Klefbom, Bear, Caggiula. ROR + Risto for Klefbom, the nuge, and strome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 ROR + Risto for Klefbom, the nuge, and strome? They don't have enough realistic assets for me to want to give them both ROR and Risto. I'd rather keep Risto in that trade and move ROR elsewhere, assuming trades are happening. Strome is icky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor of Philhousley Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 They don't have enough realistic assets for me to want to give them both ROR and Risto. I'd rather keep Risto in that trade and move ROR elsewhere, assuming trades are happening. Strome is icky. I'm obsessed with getting faster, especially Ike's wingers. How does that happen? This question will be on your QE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 I'm obsessed with getting faster, especially Ike's wingers. How does that happen? This question will be on your QE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted June 9, 2018 Report Share Posted June 9, 2018 He could have been had by anyone willing to take on his salary. True enough I'm using him as an example. You don't need an "elite" goaltender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) I'm obsessed with getting faster, especially Ike's wingers. How does that happen? This question will be on your QEAnd yet you want Strome, a guy with skating problems. Edited June 10, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor of Philhousley Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 And yet you want Strome, a guy with skating problems.Fair, strome is just a throw-in so we have a center coming back. I'm really looking at the nuge (speed) on Ike's wing with Strome protecting middlestadt. How do they address LW otherwise? Open to suggestions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 I don't think strome, Nugent and klefbom equal ROR, let alone with Risto tossed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) I doubt that Botterill would trade ROR for the sake of trading him. Darren Dreger mentioned there are concerns with him and Paul Hamilton on WGR yesterday mentioned that his “I need to play better and be a better leader act” is wearing thin in the room. He also mentioned Sabres Staff Members have told him that Jack and ROR do not get along. Hamilton also spoke about that his agent orchestrated a trade out of Colorado and they maybe trying to do the same out of Buffalo. The one constant PHam has subscribed to is that ROR has two full days to think about what he was going to say at Locker Clean Out and he mentioned his lost love for the game. Winning is probably the medicine to fix this mess. I do not want the Sabres to trade him, but if Botterill and Housley feel he is a problem in the room and for the team it may be inevitable. Edited June 10, 2018 by Brawndo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 As much as I like ROR I think a shake up is coming. Carolina looks to me the team who would also be looking to shake things up with new ownership. How about another three way trade with Ottawa and Carolina. Ottawa sends Carolina Erik Karlsson and Bobby Ryan. Carolina sends Ottawa Justin Faulk, Noah Hanifin and conditional pick, (pick is 2020 3rd rd unless Erik Karlsson resigns then it becomes 2020 1st rd.) Buffalo sends Ottawa Nylander, and Bogo. Carolina sends Buffalo Victor Rask and Jordan Stall . Buffalo sends Carolina ROR, and rights to Robin Lehner. Ottawa sends Buffalo Cody Cici. So how it breaks down for each team. 1. Ottawa trades Erik Karlsson, Bobby Ryan and Cody Cici and receives Justin Faulk, Alex Nylander, Bogo, Noah Hanifin and 2020 conditional pick. Ottawa gets something in return for potential UFA Karlsson. Faulk gives them someone with stability right away and Hanifin is the prospect. Bobby Ryan and Bogo just exchange of bad contracts who have potential when healthy. Nylander and 2020 pick is what makes Ottawa make this trade. 2. Carolina trades Jordan Stall, Victor Rask, Justin Faulk, Noah Hanifin and conditional 2020 pick and receives ROR, Erik Karlson, Robin Lehner and Bobby Ryan. Landing the two big fish in the trade, Erik Karlsson and ROR, Carolina is willing to take on Bobby Ryan's contract and give up the potential 1st rd pick. With the abundance of young players and plenty of salary cap, Carolina takes on some big contracts to make a splash. Lehner is given a second chance to split time with Scott Darling. 3. Buffalo trades ROR, Alexander Nylander, and Bogo and receives Cici, Rask and Stall. Buffalo is able to get a solid return for ROR in Stall and Rask. Cici gives Buffalo stability on right side of third pairing D, and able to dump Bogo's contract as well. Buffalo's other moves in the off season. Sign goalie Jonathan Bernier to 2 yr 7 million contract. AAV 3.5 million Sign David Perron to 2 yr 8 million contract. AAV 4 million Trade Larsson and 2019 2nd rd pick to Pittsburgh for Bryan Rust. Rask, Eichel, Reinhart Perron, Stall, Baptiste Rust, Mittelstadt, Okposo Girgensons, ERod, Bailey McCabe ,Risto Scandella, Dahlin Guhle, Cici Bernier Ullmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 So I'm getting a mediocre 3rd pairing D. I lesser 2nd line C who is 2 years older. And a 25 year old c/lw who is at best a 40-45 point player while losing not only ROR but also Nylander and Bogo. Hard pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 Ceci is bad, but the value is pretty close because you've attached Bogosian to ROR. If we trade ROR, there is zero reason to add negative value to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Klefbom is better at hockey than RistolainenTbf you think everyone is better at hockey than Risto Edited June 10, 2018 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 Tbf you think everyone is better at hockey than RistoNope - but my limited eye test tells me that, and Klefbom'sEven strength scoring rate per game " per minute % of exits with possession % of entries broken up All possession stats in a vacuum All possession stats relative to his team Shot suppression Are better, risto only beats him in raw points due to/ and pp production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetlou Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 So I'm getting a mediocre 3rd pairing D. I lesser 2nd line C who is 2 years older. And a 25 year old c/lw who is at best a 40-45 point player while losing not only ROR but also Nylander and Bogo. Hard pass. So if I switch Stall for either Skinner or Teravainen do you make the trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 So if I switch Stall for either Skinner or Teravainen do you make the trade? But Carolina doesn’t at least with regard to Tevu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 So if I switch Stall for either Skinner or Teravainen do you make the trade?Not for Skinner. 1 year of a winger for ROR, hell I'd rather move ROR to wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 10, 2018 Report Share Posted June 10, 2018 If they trade Ristolainen for a left handed defenseman then Botterill should be fired on the spot. We have nobody else worthwhile on the right side. It's not even a given that Dahlin will play the right side yet. Welcome to hockey heaven, Rasmus Dahlin. I know you're a rookie and you need to adjust to NA ice, but we're going to throw you into the deep end immediately and give you all the tough matchups because Zach Bogosian got hurt in training camp and Casey Nelson couldn't handle the tough minutes in preseason after Bogosian went down. Buckle up, kid. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Nope - but my limited eye test tells me that, and Klefbom's Even strength scoring rate per game " per minute % of exits with possession % of entries broken up All possession stats in a vacuum All possession stats relative to his team Shot suppression Are better, risto only beats him in raw points due to/ and pp production. I don't want Klefbom, he looks like a Bogo 2.0 to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 I don't want Klefbom, he looks like a Bogo 2.0 to me.Injury-wise? Because Bogo is far worse than Risto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 I doubt that Botterill would trade ROR for the sake of trading him. Darren Dreger mentioned there are concerns with him and Paul Hamilton on WGR yesterday mentioned that his “I need to play better and be a better leader act” is wearing thin in the room. He also mentioned Sabres Staff Members have told him that Jack and ROR do not get along. Hamilton also spoke about that his agent orchestrated a trade out of Colorado and they maybe trying to do the same out of Buffalo. The one constant PHam has subscribed to is that ROR has two full days to think about what he was going to say at Locker Clean Out and he mentioned his lost love for the game. Winning is probably the medicine to fix this mess. I do not want the Sabres to trade him, but if Botterill and Housley feel he is a problem in the room and for the team it may be inevitable. Interesting intell from Hamilton. I wish I could hear it myself. I doubt I can dig it up in the archives. I never saw the social media content that was being talked about last winter -- something about Eichel being video'd mocking another teammate, evidently ROR. I never heard a description of what it was that Eichel was saying in the video. It now occurs to me: Was he doing a mopey, emo "I gotta be better" impersonation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 Interesting intell from Hamilton. I wish I could hear it myself. I doubt I can dig it up in the archives. I never saw the social media content that was being talked about last winter -- something about Eichel being video'd mocking another teammate, evidently ROR. I never heard a description of what it was that Eichel was saying in the video. It now occurs to me: Was he doing a mopey, emo "I gotta be better" impersonation? The video was something a lot of people just didn't see because it was there and then gone so quickly. I think it was Bogo and Eichel, and Eichel was doing a mopey O'Reilly imitation. It fueled a bunch of fan speculation and close scrutiny of the interactions between ROR and Eichel, but ultimately looked like it was a nothingburger, just the boys goofing around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 The video was something a lot of people just didn't see because it was there and then gone so quickly. I think it was Bogo and Eichel, and Eichel was doing a mopey O'Reilly imitation. It fueled a bunch of fan speculation and close scrutiny of the interactions between ROR and Eichel, but ultimately looked like it was a nothingburger, just the boys goofing around. That squares with my recollection. But now we have Hamilton reporting that 15 and 90 legitimately do not get along. A somethingburger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 11, 2018 Report Share Posted June 11, 2018 That squares with my recollection. But now we have Hamilton reporting that 15 and 90 legitimately do not get along. A somethingburger? Maybe they were both putting on the ultimate act through the end of the season? I wouldn't expect guys who don't like each other to interact how they do in public. Maybe Eichel doesn't dislike him personally, just from a "business is business" perspective? There could be more nuance here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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