GASabresIUFAN Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Yes, maybe I'm being optimistic, but then I look to see what we have to replace them and I don't see anything. Hey, if we bring in the Caps Carlson, sure throw those two aside. Until then, they are the horses we ride Carlson would be a great fit as we need a RD, but he is already 28 and I doubt Wash can afford to let him leave town. De Haan would also be a fit, except he is a LD, but we could use his steady play. Aside from those two top 2 UFAs and getting lucky on Dahlin, any thoughts on who may be available in trade or free agency that Jbot could find like the Scandella? Pateryn is an interesting late developing D, but Dallas will likely re-sign him. I did quick a look for some possible cap casualties and some blocked prospects. 1) Emelim - more of a physical, stay at home D, but has decent wheels at 31 we can probably get him om a reasonable 2 year deal to help bridge the team as Guhle and Borgen mature. 2) Blocked prospects - Sam Morin (philly), Jacob Larsson (Ana) and Jack Dougherty (Nsh). Obviously Larsson is the best of this bunch, but with Lindholm, Fowler, Manson and Montour locked in long term, plus the development of Marcus Petterson, I think they could be convinced to trade Larsson. 3) Ryan Murphy - another late developing D. Minn has to re-sign this summer Zucker and Dumba, will there be any money to keep Murphy? 4) other? Would you trade Nylander for Joulevi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanPutski Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Ivan would trade Nylander for Joulevi in a heartbeat but we'd have to throw in a case of Sobieski vodka to seal the deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Carlson would be a great fit as we need a RD, but he is already 28 and I doubt Wash can afford to let him leave town. De Haan would also be a fit, except he is a LD, but we could use his steady play. Aside from those two top 2 UFAs and getting lucky on Dahlin, any thoughts on who may be available in trade or free agency that Jbot could find like the Scandella? Pateryn is an interesting late developing D, but Dallas will likely re-sign him. I did quick a look for some possible cap casualties and some blocked prospects. 1) Emelim - more of a physical, stay at home D, but has decent wheels at 31 we can probably get him om a reasonable 2 year deal to help bridge the team as Guhle and Borgen mature. 2) Blocked prospects - Sam Morin (philly), Jacob Larsson (Ana) and Jack Dougherty (Nsh). Obviously Larsson is the best of this bunch, but with Lindholm, Fowler, Manson and Montour locked in long term, plus the development of Marcus Petterson, I think they could be convinced to trade Larsson. 3) Ryan Murphy - another late developing D. Minn has to re-sign this summer Zucker and Dumba, will there be any money to keep Murphy? 4) other? Would you trade Nylander for Joulevi? I don't think Vancouver makes that trade. They picked Juolevi 3 picks ahead of Nylander, so if Vancouver wanted Nylander they would have just taken him instead and that doesn't even take into account the fact that Nylander's development has been a disappointment to date since he was drafted. Has Juolevi's development disappointed as well? That's the only thing I can think that could possibly make them even consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 here's the D I want to see. Dahlin, Scandella, Risto, Guhle, new guy, new guy, Nelson #7. Anything less than that will be a problem/weakness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 I don't think Vancouver makes that trade. They picked Juolevi 3 picks ahead of Nylander, so if Vancouver wanted Nylander they would have just taken him instead and that doesn't even take into account the fact that Nylander's development has been a disappointment to date since he was drafted. Has Juolevi's development disappointed as well? That's the only thing I can think that could possibly make them even consider it. Yes, Joulevi has disappointed somewhat as well. I agree that Nylander for Joulevi straight up may not work, but you'd only need a small incentive to get the job done. here's the D I want to see. Dahlin, Scandella, Risto, Guhle, new guy, new guy, Nelson #7. Anything less than that will be a problem/weakness. McCabe is likeyl to still be here. Also Bettman will never allow the Sabres to get Dahlin. Mon or Det are getting the 1st overall pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 12, 2018 Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Canuck fans are as worried about Juolevi as we are about Nylander. A target for me (still) is RFA Ryan Murray. Good second pair, fits the Housley system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2018 Yeah, Murphy is on my list also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejeanneret Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Scandella and Risto are a given. Guhle looks ready for an NHL role. Nelson (UFA) and Antipin (RFA) are showing improvement and easily could be in the mix next season. McCabe is a steady cheap D who was playing good hockey before he got hurt. Bogo, aka Mr. Glass, is still under contract for 2 more years and Baloo, aka Mr Turnover, is also under contract for next season. Is that our 8 for next season? I still think it's missing a true game breaker, but that doesn't look terrible. Obviously three major factors 1) Do we get Dahlin in the draft? I'm not playing these odds, but stranger things have happened and the hockey gods owe us one. 2) Do we get a hot D prospect back in the Kane deal? 3) Who will be available in free agency? Scandella, Risto, Guhle, Nelson are the only GTD. Maybe McCabe. Everyone else needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Rhea Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Scandella and Risto are a given. Guhle looks ready for an NHL role. Nelson (UFA) and Antipin (RFA) are showing improvement and easily could be in the mix next season. McCabe is a steady cheap D who was playing good hockey before he got hurt. Bogo, aka Mr. Glass, is still under contract for 2 more years and Baloo, aka Mr Turnover, is also under contract for next season. Is that our 8 for next season? I still think it's missing a true game breaker, but that doesn't look terrible. Obviously three major factors 1) Do we get Dahlin in the draft? I'm not playing these odds, but stranger things have happened and the hockey gods owe us one. 2) Do we get a hot D prospect back in the Kane deal? 3) Who will be available in free agency? IMO, Guhle, Risto and Scandella are going to be here. The other 4 spots, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Draft Dahlin or Brouchard, sign Carlson of the Capitals, defense fixed. That would eventually put Risto and Scandella on the 2nd pair and Guhle-Nelson on the 3rd. Defense fixed, hope Borgen develops also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 Draft Dahlin or Brouchard, sign Carlson of the Capitals, defense fixed. That would eventually put Risto and Scandella on the 2nd pair and Guhle-Nelson on the 3rd. Defense fixed, hope Borgen develops also 1st, one of these things is not like the other. 2nd, Bouchard is not a first pairing defender in the NHL. He's probably a solid #3 or a #4 with good PP skills. He just isn't dynamic enough for the top pair and owes some of his second half success to having Robert Thomas traded to London. I currently have 4 defenders ranked above Bouchard. Solid contributor but not top 4 worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 1st, one of these things is not like the other. 2nd, Bouchard is not a first pairing defender in the NHL. He's probably a solid #3 or a #4 with good PP skills. He just isn't dynamic enough for the top pair and owes some of his second half success to having Robert Thomas traded to London. I currently have 4 defenders ranked above Bouchard. Solid contributor but not top 4 worthy. Just guessing but if you have Hughes and Boqvist ahead of him, I think they may be a bit small to dominate in the NHL, but we'll see, I also think Bouchard can make the jump next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 13, 2018 Report Share Posted April 13, 2018 When a player will be NHL ready isn't that important to me. Bouchard is 10 months older than Boqvist so I would expect Boqvist to be further away from NHL ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 According to Hoppe at Buffalohockeybeat.com Bogo says his surgery went well and he’ll be healthy next fall. Noooooooooo. Buyout coming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 According to Hoppe at Buffalohockeybeat.com Bogo says his surgery went well and he’ll be healthy next fall. Noooooooooo. Buyout coming? Buyout, not likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 According to Hoppe at Buffalohockeybeat.com Bogo says his surgery went well and he’ll be healthy next fall. Noooooooooo. Buyout coming? Well if my math serves me correctly, it's $5 mill on the cap to keep him the next 2 seasons and it would be $3 million on the cap for the next 4 years if bought out. I don't think it would make sense to buy him out yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 According to capfriendly, the buyout cap hit for Bogo is 1.142, 1.142, 2 & 2. We’ll actually save $4mill per year for the first two years. This is because his salary is $6 mill per season for the next 2 years. Buyout is therefore $8 mill over 4 years in actual $. We therefore save $4 mill in salary in years 1 & 2, this savings get deducted from the actual cap hit leaving us with the cap hits outlined above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 If he can play half the season without getting hurt then fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 According to capfriendly, the buyout cap hit for Bogo is 1.142, 1.142, 2 & 2. We’ll actually save $4mill per year for the first two years. This is because his salary is $6 mill per season for the next 2 years. Buyout is therefore $8 mill over 4 years in actual $. We therefore save $4 mill in salary in years 1 & 2, this savings get deducted from the actual cap hit leaving us with the cap hits outlined above. Your signature may no longer be viable If he can play half the season without getting hurt then fine. But he can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Your signature may no longer be viable But he can't You just have to belieeevvvvveeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) Your signature may no longer be viable But he can't I’ll swap Gorges for Bogo. When we miss out on Dahlin, do we trade Nylander for Joulevi? Edited April 19, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 You just have to belieeevvvvveeee I think if Bogo just has enough confidence he can really get some momentum coming into this season and really become a clutch performer for us *ducks from True* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Bogosian's play and injuries are two completely separate and legitimate reasons to be concerned if we're relying on him to be in our top six next season. Yeah, he really is that bad. He's good for being the reason for at least one GA per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Draft Dahlin or Brouchard, sign Carlson of the Capitals, defense fixed. That would eventually put Risto and Scandella on the 2nd pair and Guhle-Nelson on the 3rd. Defense fixed, hope Borgen develops also Too old! By the time this team is ready to compete he will be on injured reserve every other week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Too old! By the time this team is ready to compete he will be on injured reserve every other week. They better compete next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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