shrader Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 I suspect that there's a big generational gap when it comes to the olympics. I don't know where the line would be exactly, but many on the older side are always going to lean towards wanting amateurs back in the olympics. That admitedly has its flaws given what the USSR was throwing out there and other countries in sure. The league is always going to push for the World Cup system that is under their control. You can get your international all star tourney that way. If they are paying these guys big money, they don't want them leaving mid season for games where they get no financial return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 $8 Mil per year for Johansen. Anyone still in that 8/9 range for Jack? Last chance to get off that train :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 He's only 24, and put up 14-47-61pts this year. Still, would like to see that goal total go up for a $8M per year guy I agree. He only had 14 goals the previous year too, split across Columbus and Nashville. He's scored 60+ points in each of the past 4 seasons, but I tend to value goals more than assists as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 I agree. He only had 14 goals the previous year too, split across Columbus and Nashville. He's scored 60+ points in each of the past 4 seasons, but I tend to value goals more than assists as well. Why? Are they not of equal value to the team? A goal is a goal and an assist lead to a goal, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) Not that this is how contracts are signed, but just by compensating Jack's point pace of 77 points this past season based on what Johansen got over 82 games - 61 points - puts Jack's new deal at $10.1 Million per, if he's paid the same based on a dollars per points basis. That's not factoring in that Jack did that at 20. Could be looking at 11 mil per for Jack. Granted, Johansen's deal bought 7 UFA years, and Jack's presumably only 4, but still. Edited July 28, 2017 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Why? Are they not of equal value to the team? A goal is a goal and an assist lead to a goal, no? Well, you can have two assists, but only one point for the team, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 $8 Mil per year for Johansen. Anyone still in that 8/9 range for Jack? Last chance to get off that train :P Yup, he's getting $10M. Probably more if we don't get the extension done before the season starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Well, you can have two assists, but only one point for the team, right? I get that, but I still think the assists are of equal value to the goals. That's why I would value an assist machine (Thorton, Oates ...) cos without all those play making assists their teammates wouldn't score the goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 I get that, but I still think the assists are of equal value to the goals. That's why I would value an assist machine (Thorton, Oates ...) cos without all those play making assists their teammates wouldn't score the goals. Assists just feel like a very murky stat. Sure, you can bank on 80-90% of Thorton's assists being legitimately plays where he actually creates the goal, but for other players? A lot of the times they just pass the puck and the goal scorer creates all the magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Assists just feel like a very murky stat. Sure, you can bank on 80-90% of Thorton's assists being legitimately plays where he actually creates the goal, but for other players? A lot of the times they just pass the puck and the goal scorer creates all the magic. And often it's the opposite. A dazzling play by the player notching the assist, as the goal goes in off someone's butt when they aren't looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 And often it's the opposite. A dazzling play by the player notching the assist, as the goal goes in off someone's butt when they aren't looking. I think a good assist with a crap goal happens less often than a crap assist with a good goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) Sometimes it's the goal, sometimes it's the assist. There's generally 2 assists for every goal, so in that sense they are "easier" to get, but which is more influential is determined on a case-by-case basis. I think a good assist with a crap goal happens less often than a crap assist with a good goal Secondary assists, sure. Plenty of primary assists lead to tap-ins. It depends on the position, often. I don't care that McDavid "only" had 30 goals. It's his 70 assists that show his value as a player. And I'd rather have Jack's ratios, as a centre, than Matthews' Brandon Pirri-like (exaggeration) ratio. Edited July 28, 2017 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Secondary assists, sure. Plenty of primary assists lead to tap-ins. It depends on the position, often. I don't care that McDavid "only" had 30 goals. It's his 70 assists that show his value as a player. And I'd rather have Jack's ratios, as a centre, than Matthews' Brandon Pirri-like (exaggeration) ratio. I'm not saying they don't lead to tap-ins, but it depends on the player when viewing that stat. You bring up Thorton and McDavid, which of course I'm going to believe the majority of their assists are them legitimately creating the goal. As far as Matthews ratio as a center...weren't you a big Stamkos proponent? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) I'm not saying they don't lead to tap-ins, but it depends on the player when viewing that stat. You bring up Thorton and McDavid, which of course I'm going to believe the majority of their assists are them legitimately creating the goal. As far as Matthews ratio as a center...weren't you a big Stamkos proponent? ;) Good memory. Yes, I was. As a potential winger for Jack. There's a reason why even Tampa shifted Stammer to wing. And why I shied away from some of the Eichel/Stamkos comparisons that were out there when Jack was getting drafted. They are such different players. Edited July 28, 2017 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) Interesting stat: Matthews is one of only 2 centres in the top 89 scorers from last season to have more Goals than Assists. The other is Kadri. Rakell is next to do so, at spot 90. Matthews and Kadri are the only 2 to do so, out of the top 42 scoring centres in the NHL last season. So, likely means Matthews' assist totals are likely to go up. ...or his goal totals will go down. Where Pi at? :P Edited July 28, 2017 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 I guess I don't value assists as high is because they are given the same point value as a goal - even a secondary assist. Whereas a goal (assisted or unassisted) can win a game, an assist in itself has never won a game. As for Matthews, his goals will undoubtedly go down, but his assists will go up. I can't say for sure what his points will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 I guess I don't value assists as high is because they are given the same point value as a goal - even a secondary assist. Whereas a goal (assisted or unassisted) can win a game, an assist in itself has never won a game. As for Matthews, his goals will undoubtedly go down, but his assists will go up. I can't say for sure what his points will do. Sure it has, the last time a redirected pass went in the net ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 Sure it has, the last time a redirected pass went in the net ;) Technically, yes, I suppose. Or, you can say the goal never would've been scored without the redirect. Anyways, can AHL players partake in the olympics? If so, could we see some young, bubble (i.e. nonessential) players intentionally being sent down to play in them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Kane to Jack with 10 seconds left or Karlson to Hoffman. In each case the pass was just as integral to the goal as the actual shot that went in. No pass no shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 At least there's scoring in football. Yeah but it looks better when you multiply it times 7. 4-2 turns into 28-14. More scoring but it's inflated as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 what was Matthews sh% ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Interesting stat: Matthews is one of only 2 centres in the top 89 scorers from last season to have more Goals than Assists. The other is Kadri. Rakell is next to do so, at spot 90. Matthews and Kadri are the only 2 to do so, out of the top 42 scoring centres in the NHL last season. So, likely means Matthews' assist totals are likely to go up. ...or his goal totals will go down. Where Pi at? :P what was Matthews sh% ? Matthews s% was a 14.3%, on 279 shots, 476 attempted Eichel's s% was 9.6% (down from 10.1% the previous season), on 249 shots, 428 attempted Stamkos career is 17.1%, and when he plays a full season it's about 270-300 shots. So, take Samkos' career average of 17.1%, and apply that to Matthews and Eichel. Matthews now has 48 goals, and Eichel has 43. Both obliterating their assist totals, while also shooting the same amount (Matthews) or more (Eichel) than Stamkos does on an average year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Per @FriedgeHNIC, the Penguins and Conor Sheary have reached a three-year, $9 million deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Per @FriedgeHNIC, the Penguins and Conor Sheary have reached a three-year, $9 million deal. That's quite the nice deal for the Pens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 #mnwild has signed Nino Niederreiter to a five-year deal worth $26.25 million $5.25AAV, sources say. No no-trade protection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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