I-90 W Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Convince me why you move move a better center to wing to play Sam at center. I would label prime Henrik as dynamic. and he had dynamic wingers too. I would argue that Bergeron had much better wing support as well. Sam isn't getting that kind of winger support unless you slide him in to Jack or ROR's role and move the better center to wing. Why would you do that? How can I convince anyone if he's not given a substantial chance at 2C? That's exactly what I'm advocating for. Can't prove it to you without trying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 You haven't said why at all. You have said move Sam to 2nd center, which means ROR moves to wing (I assume). I am asking why you would move the better center to wing. Short term pain for long term gain. The idea that Sam Reinhart, a guy drafted #2 overall and led the WJC in points, on a team with the likes of McDavid, has the ability to develop into a better offensive centre than ROR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 You haven't said why at all. You have said move Sam to 2nd center, which means ROR moves to wing (I assume). I am asking why you would move the better center to wing. Because ROR plays just fine at lw, and can still have faceoffs. Sam is who we are wasting not ROR. ROR can play either. He does great at lw in both the nhl and internationally. You talk as if he doesnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 How can I convince anyone if he's not given a substantial chance at 2C? That's exactly what I'm advocating for. Can't prove it to you without trying it. I don't get the logic at all of moving a center with Team Canada credentials that most on here characterize as Selke Trophy level as well. It doesn't make sense. We wouldn't advocate moving Drury to wing. Or Michael Peca. That is what you are suggesting, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Per Howard Berger Hearing perhaps Kasperi Kapanen in #Leafs trade chatter with #NYIslanders. Not sure about first-round pick, but wouldn't go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Take your medicine now, let him go through that development cocoon, to emerge as that beautiful butterfly. Sam Reinhart does have a non-zero chance of developing into a better player than ROR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 I don't get the logic at all of moving a center with Team Canada credentials that most on here characterize as Selke Trophy level as well. It doesn't make sense. We wouldn't advocate moving Drury to wing. Or Michael Peca. That is what you are suggesting, You mean the center who plays wing for team Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 You mean the center who plays wing for team Canada? Yes. That's the one. The 3rd best center on the team that is more valuable on the wing in that role. Perfect example. Take your medicine now, let him go through that development cocoon, to emerge as that beautiful butterfly. Sam Reinhart does have a non-zero chance of developing into a better player than ROR. He's developed into a terrific winger. There is no need for backward steps now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Yes. That's the one. The 3rd best center on the team that is more valuable on the wing in that role. Perfect example. Nailed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 I don't get the logic at all of moving a center with Team Canada credentials that most on here characterize as Selke Trophy level as well. It doesn't make sense. We wouldn't advocate moving Drury to wing. Or Michael Peca. That is what you are suggesting, He did well for Avs at lw in 2013. He transitions to it very well. No dropoff long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Yes. That's the one. The 3rd best center on the team that is more valuable on the wing in that role. Perfect example. So you agree that ROR is a good winger, Excellent. He can be Eichel's winger until we can roll 3 lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 So you agree that ROR is a good winger, Excellent. He can be Eichel's winger WHEN we can roll 3 lines. Corrected for still needing more wingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Get the wingers and I'm open. you can't do it in a vacuum though. At least as it stands, Kane. O'Reilly-Okposo Eichel-Nylander (F the haters!) Reinhart-Kane That's my skeleton. Move around whatever as needed. I don't think the 3rd player on any of those lines has to be especially special. Shop the bargain UFA bin for the Lee Stempniaks of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 In 2013-2014 ROR had 28 goals at lw on the Duchene line. Hes an awesome NHL lw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 In 2013-2014 ROR had 28 goals at lw on the Duchene line. Hes an awesome NHL lw. Noone is debating that. Sam is a pretty awesome RW too. And can't seem to unseat ROR for a center role. Sez it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Noone is debating that. Sam is a pretty awesome RW too. And can't seem to unseat ROR for a center role. Sez it all. Because, Dan Bylsma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 At least as it stands, Kane. O'Reilly-Okposo Eichel-Nylander (F the haters!) Reinhart-Kane That's my skeleton. Move around whatever as needed. I don't think the 3rd player on any of those lines has to be especially special. Shop the bargain UFA bin for the Lee Stempniaks of the world. If Nylander is ready, I'm open to it. I don't think he's ready. And you're trading Kane anyway, so then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) Also take into account that if Reinhart is centering line 3, he's going to be getting favourable matchups, necessitating less skill on the wings than if he played, say, second line. Edited June 23, 2017 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Because, Dan Bylsma.Almost like Bylsma never gave him a chance... like when Eichel was out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 I don't get Chicago trading Kjhalmerson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 If Nylander is ready, I'm open to it. I don't think he's ready. And you're trading Kane anyway, so then what? Maybe seeing Kane on Reinhart's wing for an extended period of time will convince me he's worth what I think he's seeking :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 I don't get Chicago trading Kjhalmerson Rumors are they are in for Shattenkirk. Keith Shattenkirk Seabrook. Not a bad top 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 I don't get Chicago trading Kjhalmerson Question is who is going to coach the Yotes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Maybe seeing Kane on Reinhart's wing for an extended period of time will convince me he's worth what I think he's seeking :) I'll convert you one player at a time. Bogo's contract is long enough that I'll get around to him too. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Almost like Bylsma never gave him a chance... like when Eichel was out. Ahh, gotta love internet sarcasm. Read my above comments. He needs substantial playing time, not like a quarter season. Also better wingers than Ennis and Girgs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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