darksabre Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/850709996593709056 I wonder if Malone can throw? Dude has a face that looks good for punching. Looks like Chris Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 FINALLY!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Florentino signed to deal with Rochester. http://www.amerks.com/article/AMERKS%20AGREE%20TO%20TERMS%20WITH%20FLORENTINO?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Florentino signed to deal with Rochester. http://www.amerks.com/article/AMERKS%20AGREE%20TO%20TERMS%20WITH%20FLORENTINO?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral Future NHLer or lifetime AHLer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Florentino signed to deal with Rochester. http://www.amerks.com/article/AMERKS%20AGREE%20TO%20TERMS%20WITH%20FLORENTINO?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral April 8 just keeps on giving! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 We need some of these late-rounds guys to emerge. When was our last guy to hit way above his draft pedigree? Ryan Miller? Guess Roy and Pominville were better than we should have expected. But again, it's been a dozen years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) We need some of these late-rounds guys to emerge. When was our last guy to hit way above his draft pedigree? Ryan Miller? Guess Roy and Pominville were better than we should have expected. But again, it's been a dozen years. Wow, I just went through the list. Gaustad 7th, Foligno 4th, and Kaleta 6th are the only three later-round picks to make significant contributions to the team since 2000. I also learned that the Sabres drafted Dennis Wideman in 2002 but never signed him. Oops. Edited April 8, 2017 by Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Florentino signed to deal with Rochester. http://www.amerks.com/article/AMERKS%20AGREE%20TO%20TERMS%20WITH%20FLORENTINO?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Wow, I just went through the list. Gaustad 7th, Foligno 4th, and Kaleta 6th are the only three later-round picks to make significant contributions to the team since 2000. I also learned that the Sabres drafted Dennis Wideman in 2002 but never signed him. Oops. I'd suggest that would be indicative of how successful the video scouting experiment was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 I'd suggest that would be indicative of how successful the video scouting experiment was. Ugh I had forgotten about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 We need some of these late-rounds guys to emerge. When was our last guy to hit way above his draft pedigree? Ryan Miller? Guess Roy and Pominville were better than we should have expected. But again, it's been a dozen years. It's early but it appears GMTM had an ability to find late round (after round 2 in my book). Pu, Malone, Florentino, Peterson, Hagel, Baptiste, Possler. A couple of them should hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) Ugh I had forgotten about that. Especially when you throw into the mix that at least 2 of those 3 (Foligno & Kaleta) would've been naturally on the Sabres radar due to their Buffalo ties, the experiment would appear to be a resounding failure. Edited April 8, 2017 by Taro T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) Especially when you throw into the mix that at least 2 of those 3 (Foligno & Kaleta) would've been naturally on the Sabres radar due to their Buffalo ties, the experiment would appear to be a resounding failure. You are forgetting that it produced Ryan Vinz. (Edit: he was a pro video scout.) Edited April 8, 2017 by PASabreFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Especially when you throw into the mix that at least 2 of those 3 (Foligno & Kaleta) would've been naturally on the Sabres radar due to their Buffalo ties, the experiment would appear to be a resounding failure. It WAS a resounding failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 It WAS a resounding failure. More precisely stated. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Why do we need any scouts at all, anymore? Can't we get all the information we need by looking at players' advanced stats? :devil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Why do we need any scouts at all, anymore? Can't we get all the information we need by looking at players' advanced stats? :devil: Yowza. We might have been separated at birth. I don't see how any of the analytics crowd can have a beef with video scouting. The "gut" that old-timey coaches and scouts rely on have no place in their game. I'd suggest that would be indicative of how successful the video scouting experiment was. Except that arrived with the Golisano regime circa 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Why do we need any scouts at all, anymore? Can't we get all the information we need by looking at players' advanced stats? :devil: ha ha!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 I like analytics and think in-person scouting is essential and laugh at straw man arguments too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Also, didn't we get Risto as a result of at least some video scouting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Yowza. We might have been separated at birth. I don't see how any of the analytics crowd can have a beef with video scouting. The "gut" that old-timey coaches and scouts rely on have no place in their game. Except that arrived with the Golisano regime circa 2004. So, since video scouting was implemented, there was exactly TWO examples of success (Foligno & Byron) - and one was already very well known to the team due to his being born in Buffalo to a former Sabre captain. Kaleta was drafted in '04, just before the gutting of the scouting department. There were only 2 guys to make the NHL in the last 2 full on "video scouting" drafts - Armia & Pysyk. Both 1st rounders & neither worth writing home about. The problem w/ video scouting wasn't that it could be a useful tool for a full scouting staff to use. It was that it was used to gut the scouting staff & was used in place of the staff. Rather than "having boots on the ground" talking w/ kids, their coaches, opposing coaches, seeing how the kid plays when he wasn't the focus of a camera; they had what could be seen on camera directing who they should "get a better look at" in person. It was absolutely a resounding failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 I hope we sign Estephan, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 Also, didn't we get Risto as a result of at least some video scouting? Ristolainen was drafted after the Golisano era had ended. The video scouting was no longer by necessity an austerity measure. Again, video scouting can be a useful tool for a full scouting department. It shouldn't BE the scouting department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 I like analytics and think in-person scouting is essential and laugh at straw man arguments too No problem with a scout who wants to draft a player with a worse Corsi Over Under While Going Commando Percentage number than another player because the scout likes what he saw in the kid's eyes? Ristolainen was drafted after the Golisano era had ended. The video scouting was no longer by necessity an austerity measure. Again, video scouting can be a useful tool for a full scouting department. It shouldn't BE the scouting department. I remember how high Darcy was on video scouting and wonder if Golisano coming along was just the opportunity he had been waiting for. I also wonder if dropping video scouting was Darcy's idea or Terry's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted April 8, 2017 Report Share Posted April 8, 2017 It's early but it appears GMTM had an ability to find late round (after round 2 in my book). Pu, Malone, Florentino, Peterson, Hagel, Baptiste, Possler. A couple of them should hit. 2013 he was drafted by darcy :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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