SwampD Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I think you could sense frustration in Reinhart's comments --- I've spoken with several non-Sabre hockey fans and none can recall a similar benching, and so far, none of this forum can point to any I don't think this situation sat well with Reinhart, I think he believes it was petty and it brought to the surface more emotions around his misuse on the team You got the same sense with his comments when DD finally put him back on Eichel's line --- LTS in a great post pointed out several. http://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/24812-reinhart-dressed-and-benched-late-to-meeting/?p=929878 PHam says this is mostly Murry's doing. I almost forgot, Dan sucks and is a stupid moron idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Maybe it's okay for Sam to have a problem with being subservient to a major dingus. Well, that gets to the heart of the matter, I suppose. What's more important? Respecting the chain of command and your role as the proverbial good soldier, or giving sway and ventilation to your own personal feelings of having been treated unfairly? Sam may not like or much respect the holder of the "office" of head coach (if you'll allow it), but damn it if he isn't bound to respect the position when addressing this sort of thing. Fwiw, my own teenage kids pull this same sort of crap. They accept responsibility and apologize ... but, not really. Not really. Drives me around a bend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 And we all know what happened to Zadorov, eh? I am going to think about this less, because the more I think about the more I think it stinks. He turned into a young top 4 defenceman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 He turned into a young top 4 defenceman? On a crap team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Well, that gets to the heart of the matter, I suppose. What's more important? Respecting the chain of command and your role as the proverbial good soldier, or giving sway and ventilation to your own personal feelings of having been treated unfairly? Sam may not like or much respect the holder of the "office" of head coach (if you'll allow it), but damn it if he isn't bound to respect the position when addressing this sort of thing. Fwiw, my own teenage kids pull this same sort of crap. They accept responsibility and apologize ... but, not really. Not really. Drives me around a bend. He is 21, just got knocked out of the playoff race and has played nearly two seasons for an incompetent coach. He is probably just frustrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Blizzard Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) LTS in a great post pointed out several. http://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/24812-reinhart-dressed-and-benched-late-to-meeting/?p=929878 PHam says this is mostly Murry's doing. I almost forgot, Dan sucks and is a stupid moron idiot. I saw LTS post, I'm stuck on him being dressed and on bench instead of delaying punishment to Sunday and have him in press box To me, that's the difference between fair and petty Edit: And BTW, one of the laziest reporters in the business criticizing a player for not staying AFTER practice, when 80% of the team doesn't is rather lame. Especially when it's been reported that Reinhart worked his a$$ off the past two off seasons and typically arrives EARLY to practice. I love when the media sits in judgment of these kids and then "mails it in" when it comes to their jobs. I listened to the post game interviews with DD and the media lets him off the hook routinely Edited March 30, 2017 by Georgia Blizzard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I saw LTS post, I'm stuck on him being dressed and on bench instead of delaying punishment to Sunday and have him in press box To me, that's the difference between fair and petty Agreed. It also doesn't punish the team as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I saw LTS post, I'm stuck on him being dressed and on bench instead of delaying punishment to Sunday and have him in press box To me, that's the difference between fair and petty I thought that was because Okposo was sick and they needed a body on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Well, that gets to the heart of the matter, I suppose. What's more important? Respecting the chain of command and your role as the proverbial good soldier, or giving sway and ventilation to your own personal feelings of having been treated unfairly? Sam may not like or much respect the holder of the "office" of head coach (if you'll allow it), but damn it if he isn't bound to respect the position when addressing this sort of thing. Fwiw, my own teenage kids pull this same sort of crap. They accept responsibility and apologize ... but, not really. Not really. Drives me around a bend. Isn't that what happens all the time in the NHL? Like...for everything? As the millennials would say: "Sorry, not sorry". But it applies to pretty much everyone at every age level. I bet you're surrounded by adults who spend time apologizing for things they're actually not sorry for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Blizzard Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I thought that was because Okposo was sick and they needed a body on the bench. My point is they could have sat him Sunday in the press box (delayed the punishment), he's not a dog afterall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I thought that was because Okposo was sick and they needed a body on the bench. Yes, so let him play that game and then bench him the next game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 He turned into a young top 4 defenceman? Not for the Sabres, but he did, in part, turn into ROR, which is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Not for the Sabres, but he did, in part, turn into ROR, which is great. Oh yeah, i'd make that trade 10/10. I love ROR and think he is a great player and great for the team. That said, of the players in that trade. Zadorov has missed a few games because he was late to meetings. ROR drove drunk and crashed into a building. ROR has made the worse life choices. Worse than Sam too and no-one has questioned his attitude, despite the fact his choices made him a bad person, not a bad teammate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 He turned into a young top 4 defenceman? 0 goals 10 points in 56 games, -20. basic stats on a bad team, but that's not encouraging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 0 goals 10 points in 56 games, -20. basic stats on a bad team, but that's not encouraging. From what of seen of their fans opinions, they seem quite happy with him. He is a physical D, not an offensive one. But he is regularly getting 20+ minutes a night - albeit on an awful team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 All the rampant speculation and conclusion jumping in this thread makes me not like people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Isn't that what happens all the time in the NHL? Like...for everything? As the millennials would say: "Sorry, not sorry". But it applies to pretty much everyone at every age level. I bet you're surrounded by adults who spend time apologizing for things they're actually not sorry for. Not if I have anything to say about it. Honest to God. I'd bet dollars to donuts that, if asked, my kids would all say that taking responsibility and expressing sincere remorse for errors and omissions is "job one," and that it's unacceptable to undermine that process by folding in a bunch of self-serving crap. SAM REINHART MAY NOT BE FINE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I also assume that Gionta is only in Dan's corner because he's trying to keep his career alive. I mean, I don't blame the guy, but I could see the young guys clashing with their Captain a bit if he's taking a purely "keep your head down" approach to his coach and GM. I can't buy the snivelling self-interest card. Much more likely Gionta is where he is on this because he believes in discipline and rules and accountability, all the more so in his role as captain. I've defended Murray, Samson is my guy, and I want Bylsma further away from the team than the Ebola virus, but it was Murray's stupid rule and it was Sam who broke it literally the next day. What the hell do you expect Gionta to say and Bylsma to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I don't think this rule is stupid. These kids have to learn what being an NHL player is all about. I want them to have the character of Gionta and he can't instil that on his own, so rules need to be put in place. Being late for a team thing is the tip of the ice burg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Well, that gets to the heart of the matter, I suppose. What's more important? Respecting the chain of command and your role as the proverbial good soldier, or giving sway and ventilation to your own personal feelings of having been treated unfairly? Sam may not like or much respect the holder of the "office" of head coach (if you'll allow it), but damn it if he isn't bound to respect the position when addressing this sort of thing. Fwiw, my own teenage kids pull this same sort of crap. They accept responsibility and apologize ... but, not really. Not really. Drives me around a bend. But your the Dad and you make it worse and come off as a royal douche if you do it in front of your kids friends especially for something minor. Do it behind the scenes and again make the punishment fit the crime. Of course your kids are gonna challenge you and I hate when one tells on the other, but its important not to overreact. He is 21, just got knocked out of the playoff race and has played nearly two seasons for an incompetent coach. He is probably just frustrated.This. Not if I have anything to say about it. Honest to God. I'd bet dollars to donuts that, if asked, my kids would all say that taking responsibility and expressing sincere remorse for errors and omissions is "job one," and that it's unacceptable to undermine that process by folding in a bunch of self-serving crap. SAM REINHART MAY NOT BE FINE. You dont have any say in the matter and your wrong... you may find out in 20 years. They may or may not tell it to your face but will avoid you as much as possible. Edited March 30, 2017 by North Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 But your the Dad and you make it worse and come off as a royal douche if you do it in front of your kids friends especially for something minor. Do it behind the scenes and again make the punishment fit the crime. Of course your kids are gonna challenge you and I hate when one tells on the other, but its important not to overreact.. I wasn't, and am not, trying to equate this Reinhart benching with disciplining your kids. Not at all. They're not comparable, imo. What I was observing was how pervasive it seems among certain populations (age groups) to evade taking full, unequivocal responsibility for an error. "Yeah, I screwed up, but -- dumb rule, bad application." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) I wasn't, and am not, trying to equate this Reinhart benching with disciplining your kids. Not at all. They're not comparable, imo. What I was observing was how pervasive it seems among certain populations (age groups) to evade taking full, unequivocal responsibility for an error. "Yeah, I screwed up, but -- dumb rule, bad application." Sorry misunderstood and yeh that should be the response.And again not a dumb rule just bad application. imo Which falls on coach to think... so Dan is just going through the motions too? Edited March 30, 2017 by North Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Not if I have anything to say about it. Honest to God. I'd bet dollars to donuts that, if asked, my kids would all say that taking responsibility and expressing sincere remorse for errors and omissions is "job one," and that it's unacceptable to undermine that process by folding in a bunch of self-serving crap. SAM REINHART MAY NOT BE FINE. Sam Reinhart is a patriot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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That Aud Smell Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Sam Reinhart is a patriot. Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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