LGR4GM Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 John Vogl @BuffNewsVogl 34m34 minutes ago Sabres' Evander Kane: "These situations are what they are. They happen to athletes or people in a position such as myself. ... (1) John Vogl @BuffNewsVogl 31m31 minutes ago E-Kane: "These things unfortunately happen more often than not." Asked to agree that it's still a small percentage: "I couldn't comment." Bill Hoppe @BillHoppeNHL 31m31 minutes ago (1/2) Evander Kane on offseason incident: "Those are things you just have to deal with, kind of come with the territory. ... Bill Hoppe @BillHoppeNHL 31m31 minutes ago (2/2) Evander Kane: ...you have to be a little bit more aware and kind of put yourself on a higher pedestal than you think you are." #Sabres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Kane's takeaway from these incidents is that he needs to place himself on a higher pedestal. Great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Kane's takeaway from these incidents is that he needs to place himself on a higher pedestal. Great. If that's his way of saying he'll stop slumming and on the lookout for rando hookups, I'll take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 If that's his way of saying he'll stop slumming and on the lookout for rando hookups, I'll take it. Blechk. I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Yes, he should definitely spend a grand on a high class call girl than hook up with random puck bunnies on Chippewa. Hell, he should have a half dozen of them on retainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Blechk. I guess. You know, there is a fairly decent likelihood that Kane is telling the truth and isn't guilty of anything. Yes, he should definitely spend a grand on a high class call girl than hook up with random puck bunnies on Chippewa. Hell, he should have a half dozen of them on retainer. I don't remember who it was specifically that said it, but I remember a pretty prominent sports writer saying that he's heard from a number of prominent athletes that they patronize high-end escort services to avoid shakedowns, recriminations, accusations, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcsaberks Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 John Vogl @BuffNewsVogl 34m34 minutes ago Sabres' Evander Kane: "These situations are what they are. They happen to athletes or people in a position such as myself. ... (1) John Vogl @BuffNewsVogl 31m31 minutes ago E-Kane: "These things unfortunately happen more often than not." Asked to agree that it's still a small percentage: "I couldn't comment." Bill Hoppe @BillHoppeNHL 31m31 minutes ago (1/2) Evander Kane on offseason incident: "Those are things you just have to deal with, kind of come with the territory. ... Bill Hoppe @BillHoppeNHL 31m31 minutes ago (2/2) Evander Kane: ...you have to be a little bit more aware and kind of put yourself on a higher pedestal than you think you are." #Sabres Video for those with twitter - https://twitter.com/Matt_Bove/status/778974400385282048 Sabres PR people need to have an intervention or something. Get this guy some help. Is he playing the victim card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 You know, there is a fairly decent likelihood that Kane is telling the truth and isn't guilty of anything. I'm keenly aware that you harbour such thoughts. I trust you're aware that I harbour different ones. Meanwhile, the guy in question today addressed the controversy by acknowledging the need to place himself on a higher pedestal. Good luck to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 As You know, there is a fairly decent likelihood that Kane is telling the truth and isn't guilty of anything. I don't remember who it was specifically that said it, but I remember a pretty prominent sports writer saying that he's heard from a number of prominent athletes that they patronize high-end escort services to avoid shakedowns, recriminations, accusations, etc. As they should. Unless an athlete is looking for a potential wife they're much better off going to the professionals. It's a business transaction after all, they're purchasing services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Sabres PR people need to have an intervention or something. Get this guy some help. Is he playing the victim card? these things happen. more and more. look at other sports. atta boy, evander. Here's my point, freeman, stated another way: I believe firmly that the truth in these kinds of situations almost always resides somewhere in the middle, or in a middling range. That there's fault to go around. That everyone acted poorly and everyone did things they now regret. In view of that, to read and see his comments on the matters (more than one, don't forget) is nothing short of discouraging. No humility. No self-awareness. No sense of agency for what he does and fails to do out there in the world. Honest to God: that guy. Sorry. I know I've said it upthread. It feels good to say it, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I'm keenly aware that you harbour such thoughts. I trust you're aware that I harbour different ones. Well, I don't think I was aware that you thought there was zero possibility that he is not guilty. these things happen. more and more. look at other sports. atta boy, evander. Here's my point, freeman, stated another way: I believe firmly that the truth in these kinds of situations almost always resides somewhere in the middle, or in a middling range. That there's fault to go around. That everyone acted poorly and everyone did things they now regret. In view of that, to read and see his comments on the matters (more than one, don't forget) is nothing short of discouraging. No humility. No self-awareness. No sense of agency for what he does and fails to do out there in the world. Honest to God: ###### that guy. Sorry. I know I've said it upthread. It feels good to say it, though. Well, it kinda depends on the specifics of the "fault," innit? Let's suppose Kane took a woman back to his hotel room, they had consensual sex and he then behaved like a jerk and told her to get lost. In that situation, he would be "at fault" for acting like a jerk and creating a situation in which blowback is possible -- but would you agree that he would NOT be "at fault" for rape or anything close to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Kane's takeaway from these incidents is that he needs to place himself on a higher pedestal. Great. Doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt for aiming for one expression -- hold myself to a higher standard, possibly -- and grasping another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) You know, there is a fairly decent likelihood that Kane is telling the truth and isn't guilty of anything. I'm keenly aware that you harbour such thoughts. I trust you're aware that I harbour different ones. Well, I don't think I was aware that you thought there was zero possibility that he is not guilty. Where's the Gipper? There you go again. The focus there is on the truth. I'm not wading into the morass of whether he could be found guilty of a crime. Probably not. His demeanor is of someone who thinks he's done nothing wrong. Nothing. I'm of a mind that he most certainly did do some things wrong. And that other people did too. And I also happen to think that he is a grade A prick for having the view of the matter that he does. Just my take. I can't know anything for sure without more information. Doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt for aiming for one expression -- hold myself to a higher standard, possibly -- and grasping another? Hmm. That is good work - the product of a creative thinker. Thank you. I'm not sure. Maybe? It definitely was not the phrase he wanted. But what would Dr. Freud say to that? Edited September 22, 2016 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Video for those with twitter - https://twitter.com/Matt_Bove/status/778974400385282048 Sabres PR people need to have an intervention or something. Get this guy some help. Is he playing the victim card? I have no doubt he firmly believes himself to be the victim. The question is is that because it is true or because he is a narcissist? Or does the truth lie somewhere in between? Only place we have any hope of finding out is in a court of law. Not that that will influence those whose opinions are already formed (not a shot at those on this board) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Only place we have any hope of finding out is in a court of law. Not that that will influence those whose opinions are already formed (not a shot at those on this board) Don't hold your breath. To the second point: If there were full proceedings on this, and a clear(er) picture emerged, I'd certainly be open to changing my mind. I've just got it made up right now is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Where's the Gipper? There you go again. The focus there is on the truth. I'm not wading into the morass of whether he could be found guilty of a crime. Probably not. His demeanor is of someone who thinks he's done nothing wrong. Nothing. I'm of a mind that he most certainly did do some things wrong. And that other people did too. And I also happen to think that he is a grade A prick for having the view of the matter that he does. Just my take. I can't know anything for sure without more information. I'm not sure whether we're talking past each other here. I don't see how you can form a view as to his opinion that he did nothing wrong without knowing what happened. It seems like your opinion is that he must've done something wrong or else these situations wouldn't have occurred. I suppose this is reasonable and defensible -- but I just think the range of wrongful acts he may have committed is so wide (and, I will reiterate, must include zero wrongful acts whatsoever) as to make your conclusion an unjustified one. And now I think we've beaten this horse to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I don't see how you can form a view as to his opinion that he did nothing wrong without knowing what happened. It's easy. I gather what available information there is (this includes things beyond the incidents, of course), or the information about which I'm aware, I let it mull around a bit, and I form a #take. Bazinga! It seems like your opinion is that he must've done something wrong or else these situations wouldn't have occurred. I suppose this is reasonable and defensible -- but I just think the range of wrongful acts he may have committed is so wide (and, I will reiterate, must include zero wrongful acts whatsoever) as to make your conclusion an unjustified one. As I've said, I acknowledge that there's only so much information to go on. But those sworn statements from a bouncer and a couple of gals at the club aren't nothing. And as I've also said: Some of this on my part, a good amount of this, is gut-level. I've digested his interviews, his social media content. I've formed an opinion. It's not set in stone. But it is what it is, right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Vogl with a take on E Kane in this morning's TBN. Solid stuff: "If Kane was being honest with his answers and comments, he’s bordering on delusional." Yawp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Purely from a legal pov, he is the subject of 2 legal proceedings. In the one he has counter claimed. He has to be careful what he says. Any contrite statements can be.used against him. I would not expect them until all of this is resolved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Purely from a legal pov, he is the subject of 2 legal proceedings. In the one he has counter claimed. He has to be careful what he says. Any contrite statements can be.used against him. I would not expect them until all of this is resolved Excellent point. We'll see if any are forthcoming (contrite statements). Otoh, if he's showing awareness of his pending legal matters, why not say nothing at all or say the same thing over and over -- a la Pat Kane? The statements he made could be twisted around and used against him, with a little effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 ALL IS FORGIVEN, EVANDER. https://twitter.com/ShannonShep4/status/779319743849324544/video/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OP Class '75 Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 these things happen. more and more. look at other sports. atta boy, evander. Here's my point, freeman, stated another way: I believe firmly that the truth in these kinds of situations almost always resides somewhere in the middle, or in a middling range. That there's fault to go around. That everyone acted poorly and everyone did things they now regret. In view of that, to read and see his comments on the matters (more than one, don't forget) is nothing short of discouraging. No humility. No self-awareness. No sense of agency for what he does and fails to do out there in the world. Honest to God: ###### that guy. Sorry. I know I've said it upthread. It feels good to say it, though. If I ever had a hair of an opening to give Evander Kane another chance, that hair is gone. It is time for him to go, PERIOD!!!! I don't care the cost. He is a Cancer, plain and simple, and his removal is necessary. Cut Him!!! His departure would be an addition by subtraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagBoy Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Actually he is a Leo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 If I ever had a hair of an opening to give Evander Kane another chance, that hair is gone. It is time for him to go, PERIOD!!!! I don't care the cost. He is a Cancer, plain and simple, and his removal is necessary. Cut Him!!! His departure would be an addition by subtraction. I'll take banned poster with a new user name for 200 Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 I'll take banned poster with a new user name for 200 Alex. Hmmm. But that profile dates back to July 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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