bob_sauve28 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I may be a little early on this, but our getting ROR looks like the theft of the century. WTF was Colorado thinking? He didn't fit in there? They kept Matt Duschene instead of him? :doh: How do you give away a hockey player like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I may be a little early on this, but our getting ROR looks like the theft of the century. WTF was Colorado thinking? He didn't fit in there? They kept Matt Duschene instead of him? :doh: How do you give away a hockey player like this? I was looking over that trade yesterday, Grigorenko, Zadorov, Compher, and technically AJ Greer (simplifies things since colorado trade that pick to San Jose to move back 9 spots). Yea... ROR is winning it thus far and McGinn is doing well too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I was looking over that trade yesterday, Grigorenko, Zadorov, Compher, and technically AJ Greer (simplifies things since colorado trade that pick to San Jose to move back 9 spots). Yea... ROR is winning it thus far and McGinn is doing well too. Did they not want to pay him? He just seems like the type of player you keep no matter what, or is he better now in a leadership role here? I'm sure Zadorov will be solid for years to come and they others will contribute, but this trade looks insane. Oh ya, and McGinn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) It's just 10 games in and Ryan may have decided long ago he was never coming back and forced their hands.But the guy has been everything you'd want in a player.If the decision was made that they couldn't keep their entire core and he was the most expendable, you'd have to say it was a bad hockey decision. Looks like $7 million player to me. Edited October 31, 2015 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Did they not want to pay him? He just seems like the type of player you keep no matter what, or is he better now in a leadership role here? I'm sure Zadorov will be solid for years to come and they others will contribute, but this trade looks insane. Oh ya, and McGinn! Basically everyone knew ROR was going to get 7years at 7-8mil. Rumor was he wanted 8mil. Colorado decided that they didn't want to pay that price for him because they are concerned with keeping other players specifically Nathan MacKinnon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) Did they not want to pay him? He just seems like the type of player you keep no matter what, or is he better now in a leadership role here? I'm sure Zadorov will be solid for years to come and they others will contribute, but this trade looks insane. Oh ya, and McGinn! No. they did not want to pay him. IIRC, Colorado has an internal budget below the salary cap. His contract demands didn't fit in it. Although, I wonder if part of his motivation to not sign was because he didn't want to play 2nd fiddle? Edited October 31, 2015 by We've Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 No. they did not want to pay him. IIRC, Colorado has an internal budget below the salary cap. His contract demands didn't fit in it. Although, I wonder if part of his motivation to not sign was because he didn't want to play 2nd fiddle? So in other words, Pre-Pagula he wouldn't be here? And some people say money can't buy happiness? Bah! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 No. they did not want to pay him. IIRC, Colorado has an internal budget below the salary cap. His contract demands didn't fit in it. Although, I wonder if part of his motivation to not sign was because he didn't want to play 2nd fiddle? I think that played a big part. Kid wants to be Toews, felt he was treated as if he was Hecht. Murray pounces. Sabrespace reaps the benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 So in other words, Pre-Pagula he wouldn't be here? And some people say money can't buy happiness? Bah! :P Who is this Pagula you speak of? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Who is this Pagula you speak of? :D I constantly spell names wrong.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Who is this Pagula you speak of? :D I constantly spell names wrong.... I think he is friends with Rhinedheart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I think he is friends with Rhinedheart I'm still working on getting "Foligno" right! How many decades has it been that a Foligno has been on the team??? :doh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I'm still working on getting "Foligno" right! How many decades has it been that a Foligno has been on the team??? :doh: No problem from me here. As long as I get your meaning hack a name anyway you want, intentional or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 No. they did not want to pay him. IIRC, Colorado has an internal budget below the salary cap. His contract demands didn't fit in it. Although, I wonder if part of his motivation to not sign was because he didn't want to play 2nd fiddle? I think the internal budget was most of it, but I also think there's some incompetence in there. They chose to pay Iginla and Soderberg, two guys 30+ and past their prime, for an amount that easily could have gone to O'Reilly. They chose two aging vets over a young core piece with a lot of prime years left for a team that wasn't yet ready to contend. They got fooled by their playoff season IMO. They also had the option to move Duchene, who probably would have returned a pretty penny given he was signed long term already to a lower cap hit. Some may feel that would be crazy, but Duchene's skill set seems pretty redundant to me with MacKinnon around, whereas O'Reilly brought something else to the table with close to the same offensive production. The economics may have constrained the decision making, but there's definitely some poor player valuations and team building decisions in there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I really really hope Ryan decides to put a visor on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I think the internal budget was most of it, but I also think there's some incompetence in there. They chose to pay Iginla and Soderberg, two guys 30+ and past their prime, for an amount that easily could have gone to O'Reilly. They chose two aging vets over a young core piece with a lot of prime years left for a team that wasn't yet ready to contend. They got fooled by their playoff season IMO. They also had the option to move Duchene, who probably would have returned a pretty penny given he was signed long term already to a lower cap hit. Some may feel that would be crazy, but Duchene's skill set seems pretty redundant to me with MacKinnon around, whereas O'Reilly brought something else to the table with close to the same offensive production. The economics may have constrained the decision making, but there's definitely some poor player valuations and team building decisions in there too. Definitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I think the internal budget was most of it, but I also think there's some incompetence in there. They chose to pay Iginla and Soderberg, two guys 30+ and past their prime, for an amount that easily could have gone to O'Reilly. They chose two aging vets over a young core piece with a lot of prime years left for a team that wasn't yet ready to contend. They got fooled by their playoff season IMO. They also had the option to move Duchene, who probably would have returned a pretty penny given he was signed long term already to a lower cap hit. Some may feel that would be crazy, but Duchene's skill set seems pretty redundant to me with MacKinnon around, whereas O'Reilly brought something else to the table with close to the same offensive production. The economics may have constrained the decision making, but there's definitely some poor player valuations and team building decisions in there too. Great post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 For what it's worth Colorado really lost a lot of their depth when Stastny left. Trading O'Reilly is really similar to a classic baseball trade. You have your identified player "Zadorov" and lottery boom or bust type in "Grigorenko" and your stable up the middle talent "Compher" along with a draft pick. A mix bag of stuff to replace the best player involved in the deal. It was a win win move! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 For what it's worth Colorado really lost a lot of their depth when Stastny left. Trading O'Reilly is really similar to a classic baseball trade. You have your identified player "Zadorov" and lottery boom or bust type in "Grigorenko" and your stable up the middle talent "Compher" along with a draft pick. A mix bag of stuff to replace the best player involved in the deal. It was a win win move! This sounds like how Darcy would have justified the deal. I'm glad we don't have to settle for his middling explanations anymore. We got the best player in the deal, maybe the two best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 This sounds like how Darcy would have justified the deal. I'm glad we don't have to settle for his middling explanations anymore. We got the best player in the deal, maybe the two best. Well that's what it looks like to me from Roy/Sakic were going for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Well that's what it looks like to me from Roy/Sakic were going for. It's definitely how they have to rationalize it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 We have a 50 page thread on the Kane trade, it's time to recognize how good this trade looks. Zadorov will probably be the best player on their side. He may end up as a #2 or 3 D, if he gets his s:($& together. Grigo is getting 6-9 minutes a night and will always be behind Duchene and MacKinnon. He may be in the KHL in 2 years. Compher, I haven't kept track of, but he may become a bottom 6 guy. Draft pick is an unknown at this point. ROR is worth this plus we got McGinn. ROR rubbed them the wrong way with his contract issues. He's a more complete player than anyone they have left. Our gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 ROR is worth every penny. He was rumored to want 8 mil. He got 7 and his brother got a sweet 700k to play in Roch. ROR always says how much he looks up to his brother. I think his brother's contract sealed the deal for him to sign here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musichunch Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 I'm liking McGinn more and more. The guy just finds a way to get on the scoresheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 WTF was Colorado thinking? But they got Grigorenko! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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