Hoss Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 I don't think anyone here even mentioned the most important words from that presser, made by the Hawk's. "[We] pride ourselves on trying to make calculated and deliberate decisions based on what we have at the present time....based on our discussions with his legal reps., who are very close to this matter, we have decided to have Patrick join us for training camp." Sounds to me like Kane's lawyers are very confident in either winning the case or coming to a settlement. Someone on Twitter said it best: I'm sure Apple is confident you should buy Apple products. (This has probably been addressed, my bad if so) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Kane's DNA apparently not found in victims genital area, only under fingernails and on shoulder. Could be a game changer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Kane's DNA apparently not found in victims genital area, only under fingernails and on shoulder. Could be a game changer. In the words of Howie Meeker " if you can't get it up, you can't get it in ". Too soon ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Kane's DNA apparently not found in victims genital area, only under fingernails and on shoulder. Could be a game changer. I haven't followed this case other than this thread but could he have been wearing a condom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Kane's DNA apparently not found in victims genital area, only under fingernails and on shoulder. Could be a game changer. Do we know if the complaint indicated Kane penetrated the complainant? Wouldn't that be the difference between sexual assault and rape? I'm not a legal expert so if anyone knows please chime in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 In the words of Howie Meeker " if you can't get it up, you can't get it in ". Too soon ? Yes. GTFO with this trash. And here's the source of what Webster said: http://sabres.buffalonews.com/2015/09/19/dna-test-results-spur-questions-in-kane-case/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 That is a pretty significant development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) In the words of Howie Meeker " if you can't get it up, you can't get it in ". Too soon ? Nope, I don't think blatant comedy is every that inappropriate :P Wouldn't that be the difference between sexual assault and rape? I'm not a legal expert so if anyone knows please chime in. http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article130.htm#p130.05 (scroll a little up for definitions), and then scroll down to see what offenses those definitions fit in. Edited September 20, 2015 by Johnny DangerFace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Nope, I don't think blatant comedy is every that inappropriate :P In a comedic setting, maybe. This isn't that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 In a comedic setting, maybe. This isn't that. Lighten up Francis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 The league has welcomed him back with open arms. The Blackhawks org. has publicly endorsed him by inviting him to camp. The fans have treated him like a returning hero with their roar of approval at camp. Kane himself has declared he's done nothing wrong. The D.A. has yet to charge him. Word has apparently leaked out that there was a lack of Kanes dna on parts of the alleged victims body but dna elsewhere. They have said that this fact could exonerate him of the more serious charge. If this doesn't proceed to court chances are life will go on much like it did before all this nastiness interrupted the Kaners Stanley cup revelry. Despite all the hero worship from fans, team and league alike I get dressed down for a joke that I somewhat self admitted was maybe a bit too soon. And where is the alleged victim in all of this ? The hawks have said this has been hard on everyone. And what of her ? In my opinion the events of the past couple of days have been a complete joke and completely mishandled by just about everyone. So Hoss although this subject isn't a comedic setting lately unfortunately it has been a comedy of errors. Camp should have gone on without him. Imho . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) Well, if the V. swabs came back negative, that could be consistent with the word on the street rumour I've now heard twice. (One I've pm'd to some of you, and one I didn't care to reference here without some reason -- this news qualifies as a reason). Then again, a negative result on the undergarments would not necessarily be explained by the story I've heard. (To be plain: the story is that there was consent for traditional intercourse, but none occurred because the accused has an M.O. with hookups that involves some other form of intercourse, and that there was no consent to that other form.) To those who'd rather I didn't, sorry for sharing Edited September 20, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 The league has welcomed him back with open arms. The Blackhawks org. has publicly endorsed him by inviting him to camp. The fans have treated him like a returning hero with their roar of approval at camp. Kane himself has declared he's done nothing wrong. The D.A. has yet to charge him. Word has apparently leaked out that there was a lack of Kanes dna on parts of the alleged victims body but dna elsewhere. They have said that this fact could exonerate him of the more serious charge. If this doesn't proceed to court chances are life will go on much like it did before all this nastiness interrupted the Kaners Stanley cup revelry. Despite all the hero worship from fans, team and league alike I get dressed down for a joke that I somewhat self admitted was maybe a bit too soon. And where is the alleged victim in all of this ? The hawks have said this has been hard on everyone. And what of her ? In my opinion the events of the past couple of days have been a complete joke and completely mishandled by just about everyone. So Hoss although this subject isn't a comedic setting lately unfortunately it has been a comedy of errors. Camp should have gone on without him. Imho . Don't sweat the reaction from one individual. You're good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Well, if the V. swabs came back negative, that could be consistent with the word on the street rumour I've now heard twice. (One I've pm'd to some of you, and one I didn't care to reference here without some reason -- this news qualifies as a reason). Then again, a negative result on the undergarments would not necessarily be explained by the story I've heard. (To be plain: the story is that there was consent for traditional intercourse, but none occurred because the accused has an M.O. with hookups that involves some other form of intercourse, and that there was no consent to that other form.) To those who'd rather I didn't, sorry for sharing Not to put too fine a point on it, but if that scenario had unfolded, I would think the hospital would've swabbed all allegedly affected areas for his DNA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Not to put too fine a point on it, but if that scenario had unfolded, I would think the hospital would've swabbed all allegedly affected areas for his DNA. And they may have. That article only indicated one swab result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 And they may have. That article only indicated one swab result. I'm not sure how much we want to parse the phrasing in the article. I'm sure they swabbed every place they should have, and I think the article is referencing all results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I'm not sure how much we want to parse the phrasing in the article. I'm sure they swabbed every place they should have, and I think the article is referencing all results. You're probably right, but TBN hasn't exactly done a banner job in covering this story, ya know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I'm not sure how much we want to parse the phrasing in the article. I'm sure they swabbed every place they should have, and I think the article is referencing all results. I think this is probably right, although TBPhD's point is also valid. Still, I'd guess that the lack of DNA corroboration is a significant reason why there has been no indictment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I think this is probably right, although TBPhD's point is also valid. Still, I'd guess that the lack of DNA corroboration is a significant reason why there has been no indictment. So maybe Kane really didn't assault her? Huh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 So maybe Kane really didn't assault her? Huh... Imagine that............ And all those nasty Sabres pacers for even implying the possibility early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) The story I've heard is also consistent with there having been both a sexual assault and there being no leaving of the accused's DNA. The story is also consistent with her upper body having been scraped (as she moved to escape). It doesn't take much imagination to determine why no DNA was left behind. Anyway, this is a story. A rumour. Fwiw. Edited September 20, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 So maybe Kane really didn't assault her? Huh... Maybe was always a possibility. Imagine that............ And all those nasty Sabres pacers for even implying the possibility early on. And any implication at this point that he did not would be just as irresponsible as any that he did. As for Kane at camp, he's not charged with anything. You speak of holding him out of camp because of the distraction the MEDIA might cause by having him there. That can be easily controlled. There is no way Kane should not be allowed at camp. The only thing, at this point, that Kane is guilty of is poor decision making on getting himself into this situation and the impacts it has on his teammates and family. However, plenty of people make those kinds of mistakes all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Imagine that............ And all those nasty Sabres pacers for even implying the possibility early on. ignorance is truly bliss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBorn Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I think some of you owe me an apology ;)innocent until proven guiltyit's a logical fallacy to propose that Kane was guilty SOLELY based on his party days reputationfeel bad for the guy... lost millions in endorsement money, can't get on the damn cover of EA NHL 15 for his life, and got hockey camps renamed after his nameehhh at least he doesn't have to represent McDonalds anymorefeel bad for the guy. crazy how so many people were so quick to condemn him as a rapist a HORRIBLE label, contributed to engage on pillory on his reputationin his presser he took a lot of shi t from people who didn't even have any EVIDENCE, and now all this just to find out not only did he not rape her, but he did not even have sex with her.innocent until proven guiltyand some of you people dared to call me misogynistic for even suggesting that as a possibility . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I think some of you owe me an apology ;) innocent until proven guilty it's a logical fallacy to propose that Kane was guilty SOLELY based on his party days reputation feel bad for the guy... lost millions in endorsement money, can't get on the damn cover of EA NHL 15 for his life, and got hockey camps renamed after his name ehhh at least he doesn't have to represent McDonalds anymore feel bad for the guy. crazy how so many people were so quick to condemn him as a rapist a HORRIBLE label, contributed to engage on pillory on his reputation in his presser he took a lot of shi t from people who didn't even have any EVIDENCE, and now all this just to find out not only did he not rape her, but he did not even have sex with her. innocent until proven guilty and some of you people dared to call me misogynistic for even suggesting that as a possibility . Why do you do that thing with the enter button? It is too early for "I told you so" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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