2016 NHL Draft

[beerme1]

In the daily shift of choice. I'll take the Russian at 8 today.

[TrueBlueGED]

 

The man who most of Sabrespace considers the go to on all things NHL draft prospects released his final list. I'm looking forward to the conversation following this list and I expect many opinions to change purely based on this list solely because of how much respect there is around here for this man. I look forward to those questioning this list getting torn apart and scared away from the site.

 

I present to you: Craig Button's final draft rankings...

 

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-matthews-no-1-because-position-matters-1.503562

 

Notables:

• Dubois over Tkachuk at 4
• Keller at 6
• Sergachev as the first D at 8, Juolevi behind him at 9
• Chychrun comes in as the sixth dman at 17 (Bean 12, Fabbro 15, McAvoy 16)
• Cam Dineen, a hopeful 2nd-rounder for Buffalo, comes in at 22
• Goalie at 24 in Carter Hart
• Max Jones, Julien Gauthier, Tyler Benson and Riley Tufte at 42/43/44/45 respectively
• Ty Ronning at 83

 

 

Welp, looks like Chychrun go the Craig Button treatment this year. I don't hate his rankings in general (though listening to him is painful), but man every year without fail he has one player he just hates relative to everyone else (Risto in the 20s!). I'm not Chychrun's biggest fan, but I find it hard to justify anyone other than Juolevi and Sergachev being above him. Then again, it's nice to see a break from consensus now and then.

 

 

What gives you that impression? As far as I can remember he's pretty well loved. He's right up there with Milan Lucic and myself as unabashed idols around these parts.

 

You are loved! This place is better with you posting, even if we give you a group nuggie now and again :p

 

 

In the daily shift of choice. I'll take the Russian at 8 today.

 

You and me both--I want a different player daily. Right now I'm focusing on Nylander, because I'm getting a sneaking suspicion Brown goes before us, causing Nylander to slide. With everyone assuming Calgary is going forward...is Brown not exactly the sort of player Burke would target? I know he's not the GM, but still, it fills a need for size up front and a two-way pivot.

[Thorny]

Welp, looks like Chychrun go the Craig Button treatment this year. I don't hate his rankings in general (though listening to him is painful), but man every year without fail he has one player he just hates relative to everyone else (Risto in the 20s!). I'm not Chychrun's biggest fan, but I find it hard to justify anyone other than Juolevi and Sergachev being above him. Then again, it's nice to see a break from consensus now and then.

 

 

 

 

You are loved! This place is better with you posting, even if we give you a group nuggie now and again :p

 

 

 

 

You and me both--I want a different player daily. Right now I'm focusing on Nylander, because I'm getting a sneaking suspicion Brown goes before us, causing Nylander to slide. With everyone assuming Calgary is going forward...is Brown not exactly the sort of player Burke would target? I know he's not the GM, but still, it fills a need for size up front and a two-way pivot.

I wonder how much truth there was to the rumours Murray is targeting D. If Nylander falls to 8, he'll easily be the best player available at that spot.

[TrueBlueGED]

I wonder how much truth there was to the rumours Murray is targeting D. If Nylander falls to 8, he'll easily be the best player available at that spot.

 

Murray might be targeting D over the forwards he expects to be there, but Nylander falling could blow it up. Then again, there is a case that Chychrun is a better prospect so if they're both there, it's Chychrun that fell...I simply disagree with that argument. Hopefully Murray disagrees with it too. Won't lie, if they're both there and Chychrun is the pick, I'll be pretty disappointed. Worth noting: I nearly had a coronary when we took Risto over Nichuschkin  :ph34r:

[WildCard]

#8 Jakob Chychrun @j_chychrun7
"Big strong kid but I question his decision making. Good size." - ISS Scout @Patguy65

[LGR4GM]

 

The man who most of Sabrespace considers the go to on all things NHL draft prospects released his final list. I'm looking forward to the conversation following this list and I expect many opinions to change purely based on this list solely because of how much respect there is around here for this man. I look forward to those questioning this list getting torn apart and scared away from the site.

 

I present to you: Craig Button's final draft rankings...

 

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-matthews-no-1-because-position-matters-1.503562

 

Notables:

• Dubois over Tkachuk at 4
• Keller at 6
• Sergachev as the first D at 8, Juolevi behind him at 9
• Chychrun comes in as the sixth dman at 17 (Bean 12, Fabbro 15, McAvoy 16)
• Cam Dineen, a hopeful 2nd-rounder for Buffalo, comes in at 22
• Goalie at 24 in Carter Hart
• Max Jones, Julien Gauthier, Tyler Benson and Riley Tufte at 42/43/44/45 respectively
• Ty Ronning at 83

 

My favorite part of the article was this

"Laine scored more goals than Matthews during the 2015-16 season - 48 to 41 - but he did it in 96 games, while Matthews netted his in 64. That gives Matthews the goals per game average nod over Laine (.64 to .5)."

 

They don't freaking play in the same league you moron, who the hell cares about this without some accounting for the difference in the leagues? On top of that Clayton Keller had 54 goals this season, why not include him in this sentence? Oh because it doesn't make sense. 

[3putt]

#8 Jakob Chychrun @j_chychrun7

"Big strong kid but I question his decision making. Good size." - ISS Scout @Patguy65

This is my opinion as well.  As a side note, a friend I play pick up with is in the Hawks fo.  Operations and game day logistics.  He does have access to intel though.  When we were talking draft I mentioned I thought the Sabres were thinking D, and i thought Chychrun was Murray's choice,  he laugbed and said you just traded a Chychrun for a Chychrun and you now are going to draft one?  No attribution to the scouting staff, but an interesting comment from a guy with good insight.  

[LGR4GM]

Let's talk about Tyson Jost. His 15 points (6g, 9a) in 7 games led the WJC-18 tournament in scoring. He outscored Keller and Brown btw. It also broke the record held by Connor McDavid (McDavid was 16 at the time) for most points ever by a Canadian in the tournament. The concern with Jost comes from him skipping playing for the WHL and instead dropping 42goals and 104points in 48 games for the BCHL. Yes 48 games and 104 points. While this was something I raised an eyebrow at post combine it sounds like this kid has his head on straight. He played in the BCHL to maintain college eligibility and will start at ND in the fall. He apparently said in interviews that he thinks it is the best path for him to take to make the NHL and win a cup. Also when you see that he outscores all of his contemporary players at an international tourney, worry over inflated BCHL numbers kinda disappears. 

 

Some here may look at his height of 5'11" and raise an eyebrow, but he is 190lbs.  While he might not grow taller he can grow stronger and already has a good frame. His skating is described as excellent and his hockey IQ is very high. I think this is a kid who in 2 years could sit on Jack's wing and keep up with him and Sammy boy. His shot is quite good and honestly I love how he pressures the puck and backchecks.  

 

After much thought, Tyson Jost would be my vote for #8 if Juolevi and Dubois are off the board already. I like him more than Nylander, Keller, and Chychrun at this stage. 

 

Edited June 9, 2016 by LGR4GM

[dudacek]

Jost is another reason I would be fine with trading down.

Kid has Joe Sakic (same size, pre-draft ranking, general skill package) written all over him.

 

Pi must love this kid.

[LGR4GM]

Jost is another reason I would be fine with trading down.

Kid has Joe Sakic (same size, pre-draft ranking, general skill package) written all over him.

 

Pi must love this kid.

I wouldn't trade down more than a 2 spots for him. I would rather take who we want then trade down into the 12-15 range and chance losing our guy. An extra 2nd round pick just doesn't excite me enough for that possibility.

 

 

 

BLUE! I like Jost more than Nylander. 

[Derrico]

I'm liking a different perspective.

[TrueBlueGED]

I wouldn't trade down more than a 2 spots for him. I would rather take who we want then trade down into the 12-15 range and chance losing our guy. An extra 2nd round pick just doesn't excite me enough for that possibility.

 

 

 

BLUE! I like Jost more than Nylander.

Oh yea? Well I value PA's post about armpit hair more than your opinion!

 

I like Jost, and I'll be fine if he's the pick...he just wouldn't be my pick.

[WildCard]

At this point I just really don't want Chyrchun

 

Nice info by the way 3Putt. Confirms my stance even more

[Thorny]

At this point I just really don't want Chyrchun

 

Nice info by the way 3Putt. Confirms my stance even more

 

I feel like Eleven and I are the only ones here who actually like Chychrun.

[WildCard]

I know that there are aggressive offers being made for the Blue Jackets’ third pick overall. I don’t believe the Blue Jackets are even remotely close to considering moving that pick, but they have to listen, right? That’s a club that’s got some great young players coming through the American Hockey League. They’re developing the right way. But they’re not there yet. And so because of that, they’re just doing due diligence and being responsible and listening. But it would take an unbelievable deal for Jarmo Kekalainen to move the third pick overall.

 

“Edmonton is more eager to move. They’re not shopping the fourth pick overall, but certainly willing to listen. And obviously they would want a defenseman in return, whoever that might be.

 

“Vancouver is similar. Vancouver likes fifth overall. They know they’re getting a very, very good player, but Jim Benning did not like being part of the non-playoff picture in the National Hockey League. He’s going to do whatever it takes to make sure that doesn’t happen again.

 

- Dreger

 

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-aggressive-offers-made-blue-jackets-top-pick/

Edited June 9, 2016 by WildCard

[LTS]

The discussion on Ty Ronning made me chuckle... especially thinking about his Dad who was the absolute beast in NHL'93.  Cliff was the fastest player in the video game.. absolutely dominating.

 

Hearing his son is a speedster might come as no surprise then...

 

But here's the interesting thing about Ronning's speed in NHL'93.... 

 

http://kotaku.com/5807596/how-a-hockey-journeyman-became-one-of-video-games-early-superstars

[TrueBlueGED]

I feel like Eleven and I are the only ones here who actually like Chychrun.

Taro does too, IIRC. For my part, it's not that I dislike him, it's more that I prefer other players in the same grouping. To illustrate: if Chychrun is there and they pick Bean, I'll be mad as hell.

[Taro T]

I feel like Eleven and I are the only ones here who actually like Chychrun.

I'm there as well. Though if the Sabres actually land him I'll be a little suspicious/concerned - guys falling significantly in ratings in their draft year bring up red flags (Cooper who I did not want & Grigorenko whom I was glad they'd drafted being the poster boys).

 

But his upside is (hopefully) worth the risk. If he pans out, the top pairing would be set for years and 5-6 could be 8 minute/game young projects or situational specialists.

[Thorny]

Taro does too, IIRC. For my part, it's not that I dislike him, it's more that I prefer other players in the same grouping. To illustrate: if Chychrun is there and they pick Bean, I'll be mad as hell.

 

Fair enough.

 

I'm there as well. Though if the Sabres actually land him I'll be a little suspicious/concerned - guys falling significantly in ratings in their draft year bring up red flags (Cooper who I did not want & Grigorenko whom I was glad they'd drafted being the poster boys).

 

But his upside is (hopefully) worth the risk. If he pans out, the top pairing would be set for years and 5-6 could be 8 minute/game young projects or situational specialists.

 

Ya that's where I'm at. His potential is high enough that I like him at 8, I'd say it's worth the risk. And in a worst case scenario I don't think he would be close to a bust. 

[LGR4GM]

Oh yea? Well I value PA's post about armpit hair more than your opinion!

 

:P

 

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-aggressive-offers-made-blue-jackets-top-pick/

 

 

I would just like to point out that a Finnish GM has the opportunity take 1 of the best Fins in this draft, feel like it would take a bit to get him not to. 

[Thorny]

:P

 

I would just like to point out that a Finnish GM has the opportunity take 1 of the best Fins in this draft, feel like it would take a bit to get him not to. 

 

It's looking more and more likely to be the same standard result as almost every other year: top 10 draft picks are rarely moved. Usually teams just make the picks. 

[dudacek]

Taro does too, IIRC. For my part, it's not that I dislike him, it's more that I prefer other players in the same grouping. To illustrate: if Chychrun is there and they pick Bean, I'll be mad as hell.

I don't dislike Chychrun either. He makes a lot of sense on many levels and should play for a dozen years.

 

I just can't shake the feeling that we will be looking back and comparing his career to Toni Lydman while Jost is regularly putting up 70 points, Gauthier is being compared to Rick Nash and Bean is producing like Tyson Barrie (sorry Blue, those are just examples. I have no idea which guys ranked in the teens will be stars, but this draft will be remembered for a handful of them.

[Brawndo]

Let's talk about Tyson Jost. His 15 points (6g, 9a) in 7 games led the WJC-18 tournament in scoring. He outscored Keller and Brown btw. It also broke the record held by Connor McDavid (McDavid was 16 at the time) for most points ever by a Canadian in the tournament. The concern with Jost comes from him skipping playing for the WHL and instead dropping 42goals and 104points in 48 games for the BCHL. Yes 48 games and 104 points. While this was something I raised an eyebrow at post combine it sounds like this kid has his head on straight. He played in the BCHL to maintain college eligibility and will start at ND in the fall. He apparently said in interviews that he thinks it is the best path for him to take to make the NHL and win a cup. Also when you see that he outscores all of his contemporary players at an international tourney, worry over inflated BCHL numbers kinda disappears. 

 

Some here may look at his height of 5'11" and raise an eyebrow, but he is 190lbs.  While he might not grow taller he can grow stronger and already has a good frame. His skating is described as excellent and his hockey IQ is very high. I think this is a kid who in 2 years could sit on Jack's wing and keep up with him and Sammy boy. His shot is quite good and honestly I love how he pressures the puck and backchecks.  

 

After much thought, Tyson Jost would be my vote for #8 if Juolevi and Dubois are off the board already. I like him more than Nylander, Keller, and Chychrun at this stage. 

 

 

He is solid muscle. He is pretty chiseled and will be able to handle himself in the corners 

[Thorny]

Not trying to be a party pooper, all the draft talk has been exciting and it's been great fun taking part, and we still have another two weeks to go. But I will be pretty relieved when hopefully, next season, we aren't so draft focused at regular season's end anymore. Talking about playoff seeding will be a nice change.

[ct fab]

I agree thorny but we need a really good offseason to make the jump next year to be a playoff contender. The draft won't provide anything for the upcoming season unless we trade up to #4 or higher. We need to get at least one, hopefully 2 top 6 forwards (Stamkos, Vesey, okposo, Nash, Mcginn) and at least one, hopefully 2 top forward dmen (take your pick).