chileanseabass Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 My brother went to SUNY Bing, and I was contemplating doing the same thing. His words were "It's one of the most depressing places to live in the country." Yeah, I lived there for a few years when I was growing up (7th-9th grade)... can't say I miss anything about it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Yeah, I lived there for a few years when I was growing up (7th-9th grade)... can't say I miss anything about it.... My brother went to SUNY Bing, and I was contemplating doing the same thing. His words were "It's one of the most depressing places to live in the country." EH, Binghamton is like a small Buffalo (of 4 years ago, not the current kinda-rebuilding version). It's fine if you have friends that like to drink at neighborhood bars. And you're close to a lot of good hiking and camping. Outside of that, you're looking at driving to Syracuse (1 hour) Ithaca 45 minutes away (which I didn't take enough advantage of), or, NYC is 3 hours away. I liked it well enough, I was sad to get transferred out, but in hindsight I'd consider moving back but not before moving to Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 One would have to be very ignorant/naive to believe that Nolan and GMTM are not working beautifully together at this point. How so? I think chaos is Murray's intentions but not Nolan's desires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) I'm stuck on what is up with Hodgson, especially because it is just THIS YEAR his production has fallen. As for his lack of goals, the obvious thing is it is simply his shooting percentage that is down. Is it how Nolan is using him? Is it a coaching issue? Is there an injury that the team knows he has and thinks is minor, but it is bothering him a lot more? My opinion would be he is just a very poor skater. When I watch him play it is ALWAYS like he is just 1/2 second late to be in the position where he needs to be, and it effects his offense and his defense. The problem with that is, the NHL didn't become a much faster league from last year to this year alone. Can a new coach help Hodgson out? The general thinking is Nolan is one of the best players coachs out there. But, as much as I can't see Hodgson turning it around now, this is a guy who was/is about a 25 goal per 82 game guy with the Sabres before this year...on pretty bad Sabres teams at that. Edited February 14, 2015 by mjd1001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Vancouver traded Hodgson because he was a slacker. I don't understand why this reflects on Nolan and why it's worth more than a line in an interwebz post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Vancouver traded Hodgson because he was a slacker. I don't understand why this reflects on Nolan and why it's worth more than a line in an interwebz post. Because it is a message board and that is what is done here. There are thousands of other points brought up on this board that have less to do with the Sabres than if a coach may be helping or hurting a young former first round pick who went from being a 20-25 goal scorer yearly to one that can't even get you 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Vancouver traded Hodgson because he was a slacker. I don't understand why this reflects on Nolan and why it's worth more than a line in an interwebz post. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Vancouver traded Hodgson because he was a slacker. I don't understand why this reflects on Nolan and why it's worth more than a line in an interwebz post. Not true. They had too many centers, especially after acquiring Malhotra, and not enough third line grit, so they made the move for Kassian. Regier made the move to acquire skill over size. Hodgson's real boogeyman has always been his defensive game. That's what pisses off the coaches. He's tried to improve some of his tools to help that part of his game (training with Roberts to up his conditioning and skating, etc), but he's definitely been having a hard time with it, and it's been getting him into the doghouse quite a lot Bucky railed him earlier this week, but he fails to put a label on Hodgson's problems - which is unusual for that clown... It’s hard to know with any certainty whether he’s cruising or lacking confidence. When players aren’t sure of themselves, they often stop moving their feet. Fans see laziness, but he could be laboring through a lost season. Regardless, he hasn’t skated hard enough to warrant more ice time. That all said, your point's valid. Nolan's going to try to push and whatever will be will be. Edited February 14, 2015 by IKnowPhysics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Vancouver traded Hodgson because he was a slacker. I don't understand why this reflects on Nolan and why it's worth more than a line in an interwebz post. The thing is he was a 20-goal slacker, now he's a two-goal slacker. He's on the same bad team. What's changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 dudacek, on 13 Feb 2015 - 8:59 PM, said: The thing is he was a 20-goal slacker, now he's a two-goal slacker. He's on the same bad team. What's changed? Uhhmmmm...he was on Vancouver with a far better talent base? And, to the point that they had too many centers: that's true to an extent. If he was worth keeping what with his production, they would have kept him. He's a passenger who feeds off the talent around him. Without someone clearing a path for him he's nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Uhhmmmm...he was on Vancouver with a far better talent base? And, to the point that they had too many centers: that's true to an extent. If he was worth keeping what with his production, they would have kept him. He's a passenger who feeds off the talent around him. Without someone clearing a path for him he's nothing. He scored twenty for the Sabres. I think he's in on the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 The thing is he was a 20-goal slacker, now he's a two-goal slacker. He's on the same bad team. What's changed? This is basically where I'm at. Hodgson and Nolan are oil and water. It doesn't mean Nolan ruined him, but Hodgson either can't or won't do what Nolan wants, and Nolan either can't or won't use Hodgson in a way that maximizes his skillset because Hodgson can't or won't do what Nolan wants...and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 This is basically where I'm at. Hodgson and Nolan are oil and water. It doesn't mean Nolan ruined him, but Hodgson either can't or won't do what Nolan wants, and Nolan either can't or won't use Hodgson in a way that maximizes his skillset because Hodgson can't or won't do what Nolan wants...and so on. In other words a coach killer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 This is basically where I'm at. Hodgson and Nolan are oil and water. It doesn't mean Nolan ruined him, but Hodgson either can't or won't do what Nolan wants, and Nolan either can't or won't use Hodgson in a way that maximizes his skillset because Hodgson can't or won't do what Nolan wants...and so on. Yeah, that's pretty much where I am too. Still want him off the team, but I think I'd rather give him a chance to restore some of his value first and sell at a higher price. Unless we can trade him now in some kind of "my problem for your problem" kind of deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 In other words a coach killer Something like that... Ex-Canuck Cody Hodgson a complainer, ‘didn’t want to be here,’ says GM Mike Gillis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Something like that... Ex-Canuck Cody Hodgson a complainer, ‘didn’t want to be here,’ says GM Mike Gillis Not saying any of that story is wrong, but another headline could read: Ex-Canuck Mike Gillis bad GM and ######, 'no one wants him to be here,' says Canuck fans Edited February 14, 2015 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) It's straight from the horse's mouth, the same kind of crap we're dealing with here. They spent more time on Hodgson's issues than any other player. Then, when they decided to dump him, THEY PADDED HIS STATS by giving him easy starts - how else do you "(build) him into something (they) could move"? A spade is a spade; a Hodgson is a Hodgson. Edited February 14, 2015 by sizzlemeister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 It's straight from the horse's mouth, the same kind of crap we're dealing with here. They spent more time on Hodgson's issues than any other player. Then, when they decided to dump him, THEY PADDED HIS STATS by giving him easy starts - how else do you "(build) him into something (they) could move"? A spade is a spade; a Hodgson is a Hodgson. The horse that in speaking wants to make himself good. I'm not going to defend Hodgson, but a GM that traded away a player (CH) for a player (ZK) that isn't living up to what the Canucks hoped (5G, 9P, 29 games played this year, I can only assume that's not what they expected) isn't going to say (to the media at least), "Man, I boned that one. I wish I had CH back; ZK isn't getting it done." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 This Richardson news is quite old. I always liked Nolan.....until the other night against Ottawa after Weber's non goal call. Nolan should have been going apeshit after that BS call. He didn't even flinch. He has lost any fire he may have had. He just doesn't seem to care anymore, even with the positive outlook this team has. Still not sure how I feel about Richardson as an NHL coach though. But I have faith in Murray, as he has been in the Senators organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) This is basically where I'm at. Hodgson and Nolan are oil and water. It doesn't mean Nolan ruined him, but Hodgson either can't or won't do what Nolan wants, and Nolan either can't or won't use Hodgson in a way that maximizes his skillset because Hodgson can't or won't do what Nolan wants...and so on. I don't think you're wrong, but I can't help but wonder if it's partly somehow due to playing on a team that's this . Lack of quality linemates, no drive to win, too much pressure/no confidence? Edited February 14, 2015 by IKnowPhysics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I don't think you're wrong, but I can't help but wonder if it's partly somehow due to playing on a team that's this ######. Lack of quality linemates, no drive to win, too much pressure/no confidence? I think it's a lot of things put together. All I know is if I were coaching he'd at least be getting some power play time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-man Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 This is ridiculous. With all due respect. If they were "in lock step" then they would absolutely make it appear like the tank is intentional and there would be no plausible deniability. There is no way, right now, Nolan and Murray can be seen as "being on the same page". It has to look like an internal cluster-f*#k for this to work. So you think their perceived relationship right now is all a ruse and they are going to be lighting cigars and slapping each others backs in late june? I'll believe it when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 My brother went to SUNY Bing, and I was contemplating doing the same thing. His words were "It's one of the most depressing places to live in the country." The city or the college? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksFan82 Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Not true. They had too many centers, especially after acquiring Malhotra, and not enough third line grit, so they made the move for Kassian. Regier made the move to acquire skill over size. Vancouver didn't trade him because they had too many centres, and really you can never have too many centres, because they can often be converted to the wing when needed. They traded Cody because him, his agent and his dad were too much baggage and drama to deal with. Gillis said himself that he spent more time on "Cody issues" then the rest of the teams issues combined. Cody wanted to play a bigger role on the team right out of the gate without paying his dues, and the team was simply too stacked at that time for it to happen. There was also bad blood with management/coaches over the assessment of a back injury he had. Unfortunately Kassian hasnt worked out much better here. The difference is that I dont feel Kassian has been given the opportunity to succeed here, which I am assuming Cody has in Buffalo. It sucks because I really like Kassian and the way he plays.. Edited February 15, 2015 by NucksFan82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 The city or the college? The city. I've never had a problem with the place, but I've never lived there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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