Huckleberry Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Not a fan of making a winger our highest paid player by a wide margin for the next 5 years? Just not willing to pay the high asking price for him that is all. Kane was somewhat affordable and he could turn into the scoring machine kessel now is. For kessel we will have to break the bank and any trade for him will start with ennis/kane/girgensons and i want no part of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ask yourselves this, would you be willing to trade 2 of Zemgus, Zadorov, Ristolainen, plus another roster player plus a 1st round pick to a team in conference and division? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ask yourselves this, would you be willing to trade 2 of Zemgus, Zadorov, Ristolainen, plus another roster player plus a 1st round pick to a team in conference and division? In terms of pure talent in a vacuum that is probably what it would cost, but Kessel's cap hit of $8MM for a long term commitment will probably bring the return down. Add in Toronto's willingness/eagerness to blow it up and move him (which was a factor in the Kane trade), and the price won't be equal to Kessel's raw talent. or his raw weight either ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ask yourselves this, would you be willing to trade 2 of Zemgus, Zadorov, Ristolainen, plus another roster player plus a 1st round pick to a team in conference and division?No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 In terms of pure talent in a vacuum that is probably what it would cost, but Kessel's cap hit of $8MM for a long term commitment will probably bring the return down. Add in Toronto's willingness/eagerness to blow it up and move him (which was a factor in the Kane trade), and the price won't be equal to Kessel's raw talent. or his raw weight either ;) Perhaps, but he will cost more than Kane did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 My guess is Kessel ends up in Florida. Dale Tallon is apparently making a strong push for it. Their first this year will have some solid value, and they could make it happen with some of their young assets. Report right now is that the Panthers won't include Barkov, Ekblad or Huberdeau. If they can get it done without including those three then they're in great shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Perhaps, but he will cost more than Kane did. Right so say Kane was just Stafford, Lemiuex, Armia, 1st... that means Kessel is Zemgus/Ennis, Zad/Risto, Grigorenko/Baptiste/Bailey, plus the other 2015 1st... that's your base price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Right so say Kane was just Stafford, Lemiuex, Armia, 1st... that means Kessel is Zemgus/Ennis, Zad/Risto, Grigorenko/Baptiste/Bailey, plus the other 2015 1st... that's your base price. Well, to be fair, Stafford was a rental and thus not nearly as valuable an asset as the 4 guys you mention in the Kessel context. Still, I think there is NFW the Sabres could get him without including one of Zemgus, Risto or Nikita, plus a #1 and more than 1 good prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 My guess is Kessel ends up in Florida. Dale Tallon is apparently making a strong push for it. Their first this year will have some solid value, and they could make it happen with some of their young assets. Report right now is that the Panthers won't include Barkov, Ekblad or Huberdeau. If they can get it done without including those three then they're in great shape. I'd be surprised if Florida's owner would be willing to take on that contract. Edit - Unless it's frontloaded with the majority of dollars already paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'd be surprised if Florida's owner would be willing to take on that contract. Edit - Unless it's frontloaded with the majority of dollars already paid. Florida's new owner had informed Tallon he can spend to the cap. They've been willing to spend since. Won't be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ask yourselves this, would you be willing to trade 2 of Zemgus, Zadorov, Ristolainen, plus another roster player plus a 1st round pick to a team in conference and division? You can't worry about trading in conference or division. You worry about improving your team plus you limit the number of teams to trade with if you do this. It should not be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Florida's new owner had informed Tallon he can spend to the cap. They've been willing to spend since. Won't be an issue. I'm sure publically he's saying they can spend to the cap but losing $114,000 per day (last season) is incredible. Maybe he keeps spending in hopes of the team being competitive and getting more butts in the seats. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/doug-cifu-florida-panthers-owner-admits-team-losing-millions-1.2823450 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) I'm simply awestruck by the sheer amount of empty seats every game in Florida, even when they play the top teams. And they're doing very well this year. With that type of fan support, I wonder how they can pay anybody. Maybe they can take Kessel to Quebec City or Las Vegas but I don't see the franchise staying in Sunrise. It's dead Jim. Edited February 17, 2015 by 716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) I'm sure publically he's saying they can spend to the cap but losing $114,000 per day (last season) is incredible. Maybe he keeps spending in hopes of the team being competitive and getting more butts in the seats. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/doug-cifu-florida-panthers-owner-admits-team-losing-millions-1.2823450 As stated in the article, that previous franchise low for Florida home attendance that was back in 2007 was 10,063. Florida's average home attendance this year has only been 10,577. Carolina and Phoenix are next at the bottom with 12,500 and 13,254 respectively. Buffalo's still up at #12 at 18401. For Florida to pay their salaries this year -just for the guys on their NHL roster (not their cap hit, not their AHL guys, and absolutely no other expenses)- with their attendance figures, attendees would have to pay an average of $76/seat. And we know they ain't collecting that when they've got $7/seat season tickets available. Their average ticket price is $33.49. I know there's lots of other revenue streams. For comparison, the Blackhawks would need to collect $85/ticket to do the same, and they collect on average $275.65 per seat. (1st in attendance, 3rd in avg ticket price) Edited February 17, 2015 by IKnowPhysics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) As stated in the article, that previous franchise low for Florida home attendance that was back in 2007 was 10,063. Florida's average home attendance this year has only been 10,577. Carolina and Phoenix are next at the bottom with 12,500 and 13,254 respectively. Buffalo's still up at #12 at 18401. For Florida to pay their salaries this year -just for the guys on their NHL roster (not their cap hit, not their AHL guys, and absolutely no other expenses)- with their attendance figures, attendees would have to pay an average of $76/seat. And we know they ain't collecting that when they've got $7/seat season tickets available. I realize their attendance would still be abysmal, but it seems unfair to rank teams based on seats since the # isn't a constant from one venue to the next. With the old Igloo the Pens would've had embarrassing attendance #s, simply due to lack of availability. Why not use % to account for the different seating capacities at each arena? Edited February 17, 2015 by biodork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'm simply awestruck by the sheer amount of empty seats every game in Florida, even when they play the top teams. And they're doing very well this year. With that type of fan support, I wonder how they can pay anybody. Maybe they can take Kessel to Quebec City or Las Vegas but I don't see the franchise staying in Sunrise. It's dead Jim. They'll move to Quebuec , arena is already built for it :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 You can't worry about trading in conference or division. You worry about improving your team plus you limit the number of teams to trade with if you do this. It should not be an issue. I wouldn't trade for Phil Kessel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I realize their attendance would still be abysmal, but it seems unfair to rank teams based on seats since the # isn't a constant from one venue to the next. With the old Igloo the Pens would've had embarrassing attendance #s, simply due to lack of availability. Why not use % to account for the different seating capacities at each arena? :thumbsup: You can sort the list by % of capacity... guess who's last. We slide down to 20th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 :thumbsup: You can sort the list by % of capacity... guess who's last. We slide down to 20th. My bad; should've tried the link first. :oops: But how the heck are there teams over 100%? Either way, #1-20 are all over 90%, which seems respectable. And serious question: how is it that Carolina is smack inbetween Arizona and Florida as far as poor attendance, and yet they never seem to be in the "franchise must be moved" conversation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 That's some great info. Thanks for the digging Physics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 My bad; should've tried the link first. :oops: But how the heck are there teams over 100%? Either way, #1-20 are all over 90%, which seems respectable. And serious question: how is it that Carolina is smack inbetween Arizona and Florida as far as poor attendance, and yet they never seem to be in the "franchise must be moved" conversation? Cup win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Cup win? That's the only thing I can think of, too, but if the attendance is consistently bad, they should be considered for relocation as well as the other two! That cup was 9 years ago now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 My bad; should've tried the link first. :oops: But how the heck are there teams over 100%? Either way, #1-20 are all over 90%, which seems respectable. And serious question: how is it that Carolina is smack inbetween Arizona and Florida as far as poor attendance, and yet they never seem to be in the "franchise must be moved" conversation? the 100% issue seems to be standing room. United Center has seating capacity of 19,717, then they sell about 2 thousand standing room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'm sure publically he's saying they can spend to the cap but losing $114,000 per day (last season) is incredible. Maybe he keeps spending in hopes of the team being competitive and getting more butts in the seats. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/doug-cifu-florida-panthers-owner-admits-team-losing-millions-1.2823450 These numbers are never accurate. I'm sure they "lost" money over the entire season, but you're right: need to ice a competitive team to get butts in the seats. He'll have to find a balance of saving money and being competitive. There have been rumors of things brewing between Montreal and Toronto and now this: @TheFourthPeriod: Habs management very present on Toronto seating chart for Panthers/Leafs tonight. Five (5) guys on list, including GM Bergevin. Hmmmm... Montreal has been chasing a scoring winger for eternity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 the 100% issue seems to be standing room. United Center has seating capacity of 19,717, then they sell about 2 thousand standing room. Makes sense. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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