rakish Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Liger my understanding is O'Reilly can't be traded until February Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Stasny has 398 points in 467 NHL games and is only 27. Maybe he is going downhill a bit, but he is a proven NHL scorer (which we don't have a whole lot of on the current roster) and he'd give us some veteran depth down the middle. At worst his presence would buy some time for the young centers (Girgs, Grigo, Larrson) to develop. BTW - he is a pretty good faceoff guy too ...and I agree with the above post. If we want to dump him at the deadline we could probably get a pretty good return for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 You could also trade away one of Grigs or Girgs or Larssen for other assetts too. Just because Darcy Drafted them, it doesn't mean they have to end up on the Sabres roster at some point down the road, they can sometimes make a bigger impact by being chips in a trade for some established talent. Ah, who am I kidding, Its Darcy, theres no way he trades one of his own until they have many mediocre seasons in the NHL and he gets a mid round draft pick for them or they get to leave in FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Stasny has 398 points in 467 NHL games and is only 27. Maybe he is going downhill a bit, but he is a proven NHL scorer (which we don't have a whole lot of on the current roster) and he'd give us some veteran depth down the middle. At worst his presence would buy some time for the young centers (Girgs, Grigo, Larrson) to develop. BTW - he is a pretty good faceoff guy too ...and I agree with the above post. If we want to dump him at the deadline we could probably get a pretty good return for him. Stastny = Roy + 2 inches. I'd take him in a Miller trade simply because my expectations about what Miller can return are really low. But I'm not convinced Stastny is really any better than he's shown the past couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Stastny = Roy + 2 inches. I'd take him in a Miller trade simply because my expectations about what Miller can return are really low. But I'm not convinced Stastny is really any better than he's shown the past couple years. I don't disagree with this. The thing is, the Sabres really could have used a Roy last season. Even Roy back-checked with relative frequency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I don't disagree with this. The thing is, the Sabres really could have used a Roy last season. Even Roy back-checked with relative frequency. Completely agree. I think my post made me sound more down on the deal than I would be. I think it makes a lot of sense for both teams this year. I'm just doubtful it holds much if any long term value for the Sabres...although the probable alternative doesn't either, so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I am hoping a Miller deal nets us a piece for a new core. Stastny is not that. Don't want. That said, he will net a better return than Miller at the trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Heh that ecklund sure is an amusing read, he now has us being "in" on the sedins and Dallas calling about Vanek. :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I would rather re-sign Miller than trade him, but if he is to be traded, I would take Stastny for him in a heartbeat -- and I don't expect the Sabres to get as good a return as that for Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger 33m Sabres source says most recent Miller trade rumors are bogus. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger 33m Sabres source says most recent Miller trade rumors are bogus. :P Well of course it is. We just need something Sabres related to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Well of course it is. We just need something Sabres related to talk about. No doubt. It is always fun to speculate. Too bad we still have Darcy Procrastagier as GM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Naw man, Vanek, Miller, and Hodgson are holdin' out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger 33m Sabres source says most recent Miller trade rumors are bogus. :P That means it's true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I won't believe it until Aaron Ward tweets that he's being traded to Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I won't believe it until Aaron Ward tweets that he's being traded to Boston. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesportsbuff Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 i don't know about you guys but i have little interest in stastny to begin with. i get the people saying they want as many NHL forwards as possible, but all getting stastny does is eat ice time from Hodgson and Grigorenko as top 6 centermen, potentially hindering their development. it's not like he's an elite #1 center. i'd rather have O'Reilly and imo a scenario involving him being traded mid-season is more realistic anyway given the holdout/offer sheet ordeal last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 I was browsing the forums the other day and read this thread. At first I was a bit disappointed on a Stastny for Miller swap and I brushed the Edmonton side of the conversation aside. Yes, I realize this guy Ecklund has near or at 0 cred. But the thought of a couple of moves intrigued me a bit, so I dug some basic information out and did a little hypothesizing on a scenario and wanted to run it by the members here. You can flame away, I take it all in stride but at least here it out in it's entirety before passing judgement. A straight up swap Miller for Stastny and a trade involving some form of D to Edmonton for Hemsky. Here is my reasoning and since it's a bit of fun speculation maybe others would like to chime in on this as well. Stastny at 6.6 mil, Miller at 6.25 mil, cap add of 375k Hemsky at 5 mil, cap add of 5 mil (depending on what D man gets sent back, one of the young ones I would imagine. My guess is both Colorado and Edmonton are looking to move these players, but bare in mind, it's speculative. My reasoning for Hemsky, RW'er on a Vanek, Hodgson, Hemsky line. This gives Vanek that veteran presence he spoke on to some extent and, depending on if Hemsky can stay healthy or not (and I know the odds are not in that favor), that line could do some damage. Stastny centering Ennis and Stafford, this re-unites the Stafford/Ennis connection with an added bonus of Stastny. Both are 1 year players, Stastny has real value at the deadline more so than Miller I would imagine. This scenario also leaves enough cap space to give 5 mil or so to Hodgson should it be required. Thoughts? Flamings? Input? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Could do worse as a one year stop gap so some of the kids can be eased in properly. But that's all it would be IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Ahaha, this guy: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23991887 The Avalanche needs one thing to get back in the Colorado sports conversation and back in the NHL playoffs.His name is Ryan Miller. ... Way back in May, I urged the Avs to take center Nathan MacKinnon with the No. 1 pick in the NHL draft and trade Stastny for Miller. Glad to see the rest of the league finally catching up with me. What an asshat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted September 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 I was browsing the forums the other day and read this thread. At first I was a bit disappointed on a Stastny for Miller swap and I brushed the Edmonton side of the conversation aside. Yes, I realize this guy Ecklund has near or at 0 cred. But the thought of a couple of moves intrigued me a bit, so I dug some basic information out and did a little hypothesizing on a scenario and wanted to run it by the members here. You can flame away, I take it all in stride but at least here it out in it's entirety before passing judgement. A straight up swap Miller for Stastny and a trade involving some form of D to Edmonton for Hemsky. Here is my reasoning and since it's a bit of fun speculation maybe others would like to chime in on this as well. Stastny at 6.6 mil, Miller at 6.25 mil, cap add of 375k Hemsky at 5 mil, cap add of 5 mil (depending on what D man gets sent back, one of the young ones I would imagine. My guess is both Colorado and Edmonton are looking to move these players, but bare in mind, it's speculative. My reasoning for Hemsky, RW'er on a Vanek, Hodgson, Hemsky line. This gives Vanek that veteran presence he spoke on to some extent and, depending on if Hemsky can stay healthy or not (and I know the odds are not in that favor), that line could do some damage. Stastny centering Ennis and Stafford, this re-unites the Stafford/Ennis connection with an added bonus of Stastny. Both are 1 year players, Stastny has real value at the deadline more so than Miller I would imagine. This scenario also leaves enough cap space to give 5 mil or so to Hodgson should it be required. Thoughts? Flamings? Input? Hemsky has no value. He is a cap dump. Edmonton would have to give us something of value for us to take Hemsky's contract off their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 why in the world would anybody want to watch a better team..even for a year... lol .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kruse Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 WTF happened to Stastny? He used to be awesome. I'd rather have someone else, but as long as Miller is leaving, I'll be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Could do worse as a one year stop gap so some of the kids can be eased in properly. But that's all it would be IMO. Yea, that's what I was looking at it as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 WTF happened to Stastny? He used to be awesome. The stats and usage charts tell the story: he was the first line center for Colorado playing with Hejduk, then Joe Sacco takes over and eventually he gives Duchene and Ryan O'Reilly the first and second line spots, meanwhile, Colorado lost its top six wingers (and just gained Landeskog and Paranteau this season). On paper, it looks like mild misuse by the coach and little support in the roster. Statsny on the ice (not attitude/intangible-wise) has been playing a very similar role to Steve Ott in the sense that he's been given more defensive work against the opponents' top players. A change of scenery to a place where he plays top-six could revive his point totals, but I'm not convinced that place should be here. In fact, if he did come here, I'd want him to keep playing the role he's been playing: veteran third line center who plays well defensively, puts points on the board, and takes a good faceoff. But that might not be worth the price of $6M+ and Ryan Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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