X. Benedict Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Holy crap! I haven't noticed the Leafs are on a little run. I've been too amazed with what the Devils have done. Amazed? How can it be meaningful to you? :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I'd take Liles. PP specialist, bury him as a 5/6 defenseman on the depth chart. Liles logs about 25 minutes a game. I don't think he'd be a 5th or 6th on this team. I think he'll get big time minutes too, and we'd just have to deal with the mistakes he does. Btw, Darren Dreger reports all it could take to land him is a 2nd round pick. Why not take that risk? Puck moving d-men are a premium in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 A friend of mine and myself were speaking on the young Stastny and he too, brought up Liles. Apparently Liles is good friends with Miller so he told me. I'm not against taking on an offensive defenseman if Leopold is going the other way. Someone gave me a real neat site with contracts (Weave, I think it was, sorry if I didn't get the name right, but thanks for the informations again), Capgeek, I started looking at the numbers, and he is more expensive, but he has produced more as an O-defenseman more consistantly than Leopold has across his career. Anyways, I was looking at this from that angle is all. I don't see the need to get rid of Leopold if you bring in Liles. I think Liles is more offensive-minded while Leo is a little more two-way with good offensive skills. I think they could definitely coexist on the Sabres. Liles logs about 25 minutes a game. I don't think he'd be a 5th or 6th on this team. I think he'll get big time minutes too, and we'd just have to deal with the mistakes he does. Btw, Darren Dreger reports all it could take to land him is a 2nd round pick. Why not take that risk? Puck moving d-men are a premium in the NHL. It would depend on who he is paired with. Paired with a solid defensive defenseman who can skate - Weber, perhaps? - he could be a solid 4 and PP specialist. I don't see him getting 25 minutes a game with Buffalo, though. But 2nd? I'd do that right now. Who is the last true PP QB we've had back there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I don't see the need to get rid of Leopold if you bring in Liles. I think Liles is more offensive-minded while Leo is a little more two-way with good offensive skills. I think they could definitely coexist on the Sabres. It would depend on who he is paired with. Paired with a solid defensive defenseman who can skate - Weber, perhaps? - he could be a solid 4 and PP specialist. I don't see him getting 25 minutes a game with Buffalo, though. But 2nd? I'd do that right now. Who is the last true PP QB we've had back there? Jason Wooley. And I expect that Lindy would treat Liles just like he treated Wooley, first on-ice error and he is strapped to the bench only to see time on the PP. ETA- not correct. Campbell was a damn fine PP D-man for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Jason Wooley. And I expect that Lindy would treat Liles just like he treated Wooley, first on-ice error and he is strapped to the bench only to see time on the PP. ETA- not correct. Campbell was a damn fine PP D-man for us. Andy Delmore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Amazed? How can it be meaningful to you? :beer: Because it's a great hockey story. Not one all wrapped in sentimental BS. A team left for dead is making a run verging on historic proportions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADMOFO518 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I personally think the statsny/liles package would be an unbelieveable deal for us, just puke up rivet, maybe possibly gerbe and a nice pick (perhaps 4-5th rounder) and it is a win/win for both sides. the dump some cap space, and we upgrade both the blueline and add depth upfront Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADMOFO518 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 heard a debate on wgr yesterday afternoon about whether to trade ennis or not just because of the value he brings as a young prospect, and it wouldnt be qa big loss to us just because we need to get more size upfront. thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 A friend of mine and myself were speaking on the young Stastny and he too, brought up Liles. Apparently Liles is good friends with Miller so he told me. I'm not against taking on an offensive defenseman if Leopold is going the other way. Someone gave me a real neat site with contracts (Weave, I think it was, sorry if I didn't get the name right, but thanks for the informations again), Capgeek, I started looking at the numbers, and he is more expensive, but he has produced more as an O-defenseman more consistantly than Leopold has across his career. Anyways, I was looking at this from that angle is all. I wouldnt trade Leopold, not for Liles in any deal unless I am getting more for Leopold who has been a steal (darcy did something good) I would trade morrisonn or a butler/ sekera and a pick but Leopold is 1 of 2 veteran def we have so I would keep him around. We should prob resign Montador give him a slight raise and dump morisson thats the only thing that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Someone asked me about Clowe yesterday and I though about it more. You know what, if You could trade pommers and ennis plus a pick to SJ for Clowe and Pavelski it would be genious. SJ has centers but RW and even a yng LW would help that team. Ennis might do better their because SJ is bigger to begin with. Another thought Pommers/Stafford and Ennis and Butler/Sekera for Clowe and Pavelski.... wouldnt that change this team... to bad darcy is not moving ppl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I personally think the statsny/liles package would be an unbelieveable deal for us, just puke up rivet, maybe possibly gerbe and a nice pick (perhaps 4-5th rounder) and it is a win/win for both sides. the dump some cap space, and we upgrade both the blueline and add depth upfront I don't think that is a win for Colorado at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Someone asked me about Clowe yesterday and I though about it more. You know what, if You could trade pommers and ennis plus a pick to SJ for Clowe and Pavelski it would be genious. SJ has centers but RW and even a yng LW would help that team. Ennis might do better their because SJ is bigger to begin with. Another thought Pommers/Stafford and Ennis and Butler/Sekera for Clowe and Pavelski.... wouldnt that change this team... to bad darcy is not moving ppl Even if the value of those trades was equal, which I dont think it is (both are better players than Pominville with less of a cap hit), San Jose is winning right now, they're not looking to shake their team up. Also, they're deep at center but Marleau, Couture and Pavelski all can and do play wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ForTripping Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I don't think that is a win for Colorado at all. Isn't that the point? Trying to fleece another GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADMOFO518 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I don't think that is a win for Colorado at all. they are rich @ center, statsny reportedly doesnt want to be there anymore and they wanna free up some cap space for future ventures. they would be getting a cheap rental in rivet, a good third line prospect in gerbe, and a pick. the only thing we need to remember in statsny is that it is not a "conforming" contract, meaning it is 6.6million till the end of the contract, which makes it tougher to move him as he gets closer to being a free agent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 they are rich @ center, statsny reportedly doesnt want to be there anymore and they wanna free up some cap space for future ventures. they would be getting a cheap rental in rivet, a good third line prospect in gerbe, and a pick. the only thing we need to remember in statsny is that it is not a "conforming" contract, meaning it is 6.6million till the end of the contract, which makes it tougher to move him as he gets closer to being a free agent... Dreger is reporting they are asking for a 2nd for Liles alone, let alone a package of crap that doesn't amount to a 2nd for him and their captain. Isn't that the point? Trying to fleece another GM? Was replying to his comment that it was a win/win for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chileanseabass Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 There's no way Colorado moves Stastny for essentially nothing just to dump salary. Forget about it. I can only imagine it would take a package of a current young NHL player (Ennis, Stafford) and/or top prospect (Kassian, Pysyk) plus at least a 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I personally think the statsny/liles package would be an unbelieveable deal for us, just puke up rivet, maybe possibly gerbe and a nice pick (perhaps 4-5th rounder) and it is a win/win for both sides. the dump some cap space, and we upgrade both the blueline and add depth upfront I have to agree with Lanny on his assessment that this would not be a win for Colorado at all. First, Rivet would not be considered part of it. Even at half-salary off of re-entry waivers, he's not valuable. Second, while Liles would be a bit of a cap dump for them, he does have some value. Third, Stastny has a lot of value. I would expect that we would be sending a first-round pick and a quality young player (Ennis, maybe) in the deal. I'd still do it, but it would take a lot more than Rivet, Gerbe, and a 4th-round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADMOFO518 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 There's no way Colorado moves Stastny for essentially nothing just to dump salary. Forget about it. I can only imagine it would take a package of a current young NHL player (Ennis, Stafford) and/or top prospect (Kassian, Pysyk) plus at least a 1st round pick. if that is what they want, then gerbe and hecht + a 3rd rounder and rivet? i would think that sounds fair, remember this guy is HATING it there since the fiasco with his father plus a number of other issues and (reportedly) the explosion from his father over the st louis deal was the tipping point. if this rumor is at all true, he is easier (and cheaper) for us to pick up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROC Sabres Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 The trouble with moving Connolly isn't love, it is getting a center coming back somehow. I'd be happier with Adam moving up and getting some more experience for next year (not saying he would or should stay up). Then fill in the gap during FA. Let's face it, even if this team does make the playoffs the odds of them winning are slim to none anyways so we might as well start giving them opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 if that is what they want, then gerbe and hecht + a 3rd rounder and rivet? i would think that sounds fair... Not even close, but maybe if you threw Mancari & Gragnani in there, the Avs GM would go for it. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I crunched the numbers. SJ Clowe+Pavelski = 7.625mil Pommers+Ennis = 6.175mil now you could toss in Weber for an additional 500k but thats such a bad move for us its not worth it but if Sj is claiming Rivet then this trade frees up about 500k in salary which would help them. Not saying its happening but it would be exciting and each team would get decent players with contracts (ennis is a rfa so he would either be signed or poached but SJ would get Draft Picks) The argument you would have to give SJ to do this is that they Need RW help badly and Pommers is a vet who is still young but can be a 30 goal guy and easy 40 assists say with Heatley and Thorton. Ennis is a rookie whose potential is unknown. Toss in a 2nd round pick and I think thats a logical deal for both clubs. Clowe:----17g, 30a, +7, 9ppp Pavelski:-13g, 30a, -6, 20ppp Pommers:--15g, 20a, -5, 10ppp Ennis:----13g, 21a, -5, 11ppp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADMOFO518 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I have to agree with Lanny on his assessment that this would not be a win for Colorado at all. First, Rivet would not be considered part of it. Even at half-salary off of re-entry waivers, he's not valuable. Second, while Liles would be a bit of a cap dump for them, he does have some value. Third, Stastny has a lot of value. I would expect that we would be sending a first-round pick and a quality young player (Ennis, maybe) in the deal. I'd still do it, but it would take a lot more than Rivet, Gerbe, and a 4th-round pick. i would just use colorado as an outlet to send rivet on his merry way and he would just be there to plug an empty roster spot for those guys until the season ends. ALL i have been seeing on the trade rumor blogs is that colorado is talking to everyone, and all the talk is about statsny and liles, so there has to be something to it. i love to speculate it is what makes being a fan so much fun right? :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADMOFO518 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Not even close, but maybe if you threw Mancari & Gragnani in there, the Avs GM would go for it. <_< really, that much? EVEN if that is what it would take, minus the draft pick i would maybe probably do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 really, that much? EVEN if that is what it would take, minus the draft pick i would maybe probably do it. You really should put a winking smiley face on there if you get that he was kidding, because right now, it seems like you actually believe those players have any value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Freeman, you asked somewhere yesterday, but I'll say it here. I'm sticking by my toddkaz comparison. I'm sure it's not the same person, but I'm seeing similarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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