Report: Sabres sign Bowen Byram to a two year 6.25 million dollar AAV contract extension

[LGR4GM]

19 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Last time I looked the coaches aren’t on the ice during the game. I get it…they could replace him, but would it improve blueline play on the ice?  Who knows? 

You know what won't improve the play on the ice? Doing the same thing from the last 4 years for a 5th year in a row under the same coaches, we do know that. 

[dudacek]

33 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

 

Just ok, he should have been long dealt by now and each of or lines RHD should have gotten upgraded defensively by either UFA or through trade. Kesselering was solid but Timmins is average at best from everything I’ve read on him and Byram is know more as an offensive defenseman. Are we any better off than last season defensively? Doubtful.

I’m pretty sure Peterka, Clifton, Lafferty and Cozens weren’t good without the puck.

Im told Kesselring, Doan, Timmins Danforth and Norris are better in that area than the guys they are replacing.

We shall see.

[JohnC]

56 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Ah ok I will try to work on this tonight.

Welcome to the 2010s, Eleven!

Don’t feel bad. I’m stuck in the 90s. Now where the heck did I put my flip-phone? 🙃

[JohnC]

5 hours ago, Big Guava said:

Fair contract for both sides that now takes Byram to the point of being a UFA once it's complete.

Now Byram  has put himself in a position to put himself in a “prove it” situation whereby his next contract will be based on. If he excels, he benefits. And also his market value goes up if he ends up being dealt. 

[Warriorspikes51]

fine whatever fair value for him
 

The team is barely improved.....if any 

[SwampD]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Speaking of Greenway... he's basically JAG and idk why they gave him 2 years unless he's one of the vet leaders in that locker room. He gives you no offense really and just a minor level of defense. 

 

When healthy, he's worth $2 MM.

[PerreaultForever]

7 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

This gives us at least 1 more year of keeping all the developing defense away from Buffalo. Novikov,  Komarov, (I think Ryan Johnson is the 7th), and it means all 200 rhd in college or Jr's get another year or 2 as well. That's at least a good thing. 

In theory yes, but the way the Sabres have been operating we will just use these guys (and Mrtka) to just fill the holes we will get when guys like Byram walk or when Dahlin wants out etc. We've had this sort of rotation going on for quite a while now and we almost always fill with rookies.

[PerreaultForever]

7 hours ago, Darryl Shannon's +/- said:

Im not singling out your comment alone, more the attitude currently of the sabres fanbase because it is interesting to me.  The team sucks, but we want to extend everyone to long term deals?  We can't trade peterka because he's going to be a superstar?  We need to spend to the cap, but who are we going to spend the money on?  After like a day of free agency Jeff Skinner was one of the best free agents left.

The way I see it, Byram is currently dman 3 or 4 with warts that the analytic community is quick to point out.  But hes still super young too.   A 2 year deal still gives you leverage to sign or do a sign and trade next year.  I'd think the last thing all parties would want is a 5+ year deal.

But what we really wanted was never to trade for Byram in the first place. He's not our 3-4 by the way he's our #2 paired with Dahlin. Power Kesselring is likely 3-4.

Jeff Skinner? He was unwanted and San Jose needed him for the cap floor. Notice Olofsson is also still out there. Boston isn't sure what to do with Mittlestadt and he's likely temporary until Hagens or Poitras are ready. Ex Sabres aren't in high demand it seems. But that's like a whatever. You brought up Skinner for some reason. 

The reason fans are upset is the team didn't do much of anything to make itself better. Slightly better on D maybe, worse on O. Dependent on several players already on the roster staying healthy and producing more. It's almost certain we will end up with similar results to this past year. That's depressing going into a new season. 

[LabattBlue]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Speaking of Greenway... he's basically JAG and idk why they gave him 2 years unless he's one of the vet leaders in that locker room. He gives you no offense really and just a minor level of defense. 

 

Can’t argue with this at all.  I think Zucker & Greenway will become the new Okposo & Girgensons. 

[mjd1001]

4 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Yup , and I got heat in another thread for saying Owen Power was better, advanced stats showed that long time ago.

Isn't Skinner on the books for like 6 mill this year ? 

Next year is the issue with Skinner, not this upcoming year.

Well, this year IS an issue. He is counting $4.4m toward the cap this year, but next year, he's going to count $6.4m.

The buyout would have been much less of an issue if they would have waited one more year.

[mjd1001]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Speaking of Greenway... he's basically JAG and idk why they gave him 2 years unless he's one of the vet leaders in that locker room. He gives you no offense really and just a minor level of defense. 

 

Not to mention, he truly is injury prone.

In the past 5 years, he has missed games every year, and only averages 55 games per season.

So he's injury prone, its not a big issue? yeah it is.  lets say you can get 60 games out of him, that means 20-22 games you have to replace him with a lesser player....probably someone who wasn't even on the roster.  I'd rather have a guy that has averaged 75 games per season over the last 5 years instead of someone who averages 25+ games missed, so I don't have to 'plug in' to my roster someone who wasn't good enough to make it to begin with for 25 games per season.

[Doohickie]

1 hour ago, Eleven said:

Ah ok I will try to work on this tonight.

Welcome to the 2010s, Eleven!

Basic meme construction?  Welcome to 2007, @Eleven!

[Doohickie]

59 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Don’t feel bad. I’m stuck in the 90s. Now where the heck did I put my flip-phone? 🙃

I just put a CD player in my new 2025 car.  😛 

[mjd1001]

3 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I can't see that happening if Byram still on the roster. To me pairings should be Byram and Dahlin, Power and Kesselring, Samuelsson and Timmins

That is probably what makes the most sense, and I'm good with that.

In most games there are about 48-50 minutes of even strength, 5 on 5 time I would guess.

Dahlin and Byram get about 20 minutes per game even strength.

Hopefully Power-Kesserling combo can get 18-19 minutes even strength.

That leaves, give or take 10 minutes of even strength time for the 3rd pair. Now, I'm fine with Samuelsson on the PK (I actually think he generally is pretty good on the PK), and in case of injuries/penalties, Timmins can slide up to a higher pair on a temporary basis.

Of course, Injuries happen and Lindy happens (juggling lines and d-partners), but I'd be ok with the above pairings.

Edited 7 hours ago by mjd1001

[mjd1001]

3 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

I just put a CD player in my new 2025 car.  😛 

I wish we could go back a few years with car technology.

Buttons and knobs please!  Yeah, I have kinda gotten used to a 'touch interface' in my current car, but I do hate that I can't 'feel' things when adjusting the heat/ac (have to look) and that it hardly works when you are wearing gloves in the winter. Voice control?  Please, if that works 50% of the time I'm lucky (actually it works more than that for me, but our car cannot answer or respond to my wife's voice for anything)

And just today on my way home, I'm listening to the news and then it just goes blank, no sound, nothing.  After trying to drive and not get in an accident while I push every part of the touchscreen, I finally get the radio back on, but every single preset station was erased. No warning. No reason why. Just happened.

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

I just put a CD player in my new 2025 car.  😛 

I just bought a new 2025 car. I still can’t figure out how to fully operate the radio and sites associated with the onboard computer. Can’t they simply design basic cars for us archaic people??!!  These freaking gadgets make me more grouchy than I usually am. 

4 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I wish we could go back a few years with car technology.

Buttons and knobs please!  Yeah, I have kinda gotten used to a 'touch interface' in my current car, but I do hate that I can't 'feel' things when adjusting the heat/ac (have to look) and that it hardly works when you are wearing gloves in the winter. Voice control?  Please, if that works 50% of the time I'm lucky (actually it works more than that for me, but our car cannot answer or respond to my wife's voice for anything)

And just today on my way home, I'm listening to the news and then it just goes blank, no sound, nothing.  After trying to drive and not get in an accident while I push every part of the touchscreen, I finally get the radio back on, but every single preset station was erased. No warning. No reason why. Just happened.

You and I are kindred spirits.😀

[DarthEbriate]

14 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I wish we could go back a few years with car technology.

Buttons and knobs please!  Yeah, I have kinda gotten used to a 'touch interface' in my current car, but I do hate that I can't 'feel' things when adjusting the heat/ac (have to look) and that it hardly works when you are wearing gloves in the winter. Voice control?  Please, if that works 50% of the time I'm lucky (actually it works more than that for me, but our car cannot answer or respond to my wife's voice for anything)

And just today on my way home, I'm listening to the news and then it just goes blank, no sound, nothing.  After trying to drive and not get in an accident while I push every part of the touchscreen, I finally get the radio back on, but every single preset station was erased. No warning. No reason why. Just happened.

Just build the entire dashboard of levers, blinking lights, and unmarked 1900s metal toggle switches.

Edited 7 hours ago by DarthEbriate

[LTS]

All this complaining in here about injured players.. they don't play the whole season, etc.

I'm confused.  Isn't this the last year Adams can attempt to pull off the LTIR trick?  Clearly he's going for it.  I'm not saying he understands how it works, but I think that might be his goal. 

 

[That Aud Smell]

3 minutes ago, LTS said:

All this complaining in here about injured players.. they don't play the whole season, etc.

I'm confused.  Isn't this the last year Adams can attempt to pull off the LTIR trick?  Clearly he's going for it.  I'm not saying he understands how it works, but I think that might be his goal. 

 

Yes because spending beyond the cap in actual cash is something Pegula has shown he’s willing to do.

[DarthEbriate]

4 minutes ago, LTS said:

All this complaining in here about injured players.. they don't play the whole season, etc.

I'm confused.  Isn't this the last year Adams can attempt to pull off the LTIR trick?  Clearly he's going for it.  I'm not saying he understands how it works, but I think that might be his goal. 

Put Norris, Greenway, and Muel on LTIR to conveniently return in April and you can go add a Draisaitl-sized contract. Just sayin'.

1 minute ago, That Aud Smell said:

Yes because spending beyond the cap in actual cash is something Pegula has shown he’s willing to do.

But yes, you'd probably have to be operating without the owner being happy for any additional yacht or construction payments. (And you'd have to be good enough to make the playoffs with just adding Draisaitl and subtracting those 3.)

[LTS]

6 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

Yes because spending beyond the cap in actual cash is something Pegula has shown he’s willing to do.

There's no way you thought I was serious right?

[Jorcus]

1 hour ago, mjd1001 said:

Next year is the issue with Skinner, not this upcoming year.

Well, this year IS an issue. He is counting $4.4m toward the cap this year, but next year, he's going to count $6.4m.

The buyout would have been much less of an issue if they would have waited one more year.

My assumption is that when the Skinner hit drops to 2.44 Million the following year the money would be used for a Tuch contract. 

[mjd1001]

1 minute ago, Jorcus said:

My assumption is that when the Skinner hit drops to 2.44 Million the following year the money would be used for a Tuch contract. 

I think the first year of a Tuch new deal would be in 2026-27, which is the year of the bigger $6.4m hit....which is an issue.

[LGR4GM]

4 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

My assumption is that when the Skinner hit drops to 2.44 Million the following year the money would be used for a Tuch contract. 

Jeff Skinner buyout starting with 2025:

4.4, 6.4, 2.4, 2.4, 2.4

[Taro T]

4 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I think the first year of a Tuch new deal would be in 2026-27, which is the year of the bigger $6.4m hit....which is an issue.

Which is why having Byram for $6.25 that year is a big deal.  Had they bought any of his UFA years, he would've been getting $8-9MM.  That difference covers most of Tuch's raise (provided they ink him to one; and for no particular reason personally remain hopeful he's still willing to re-sign).  So, yeah, they're down $64MM from Skinner but only an extra $2MM from where they are this year and the cap goes up by more than that anyhow.

But, yeah, somehow we've gotten to the point where the players Adams brought in are getting paid and they are once again a cap team though not necessarily a good one.