Sabres Trade JJ Peterka to Utah for Defenseman Michael Kesselring and Forward Josh Doan

[JohnC]

5 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:

 

I just don’t think it’s Terry’s unwillingness to spend.  
 

I continue to believe the hatred these guys have of taxes across all 4 major sports is grossly underestimated.   
 

KA wasn’t wrong.  You just can’t say it out loud.  
 

You need to prop up why you want to spend the next 7-8 years of your life in Buffalo.  
 

Starting with the fans.  There will be no better city in America to win a major championship right now than Buffalo.  Not one.  

I respectfully but strenuously disagree with you. The Sabres have become a ghetto franchise scorned by many players because of its own systematic malfeasance in operating a franchise. Players are competitive and want to win. It's not the total reason why they want to go to a particular franchise but it is a factor. I would also say that the majority of players in all sports have homes that are not in the city that they play in. You can't hide this franchise's record. It's known to all. 

[shrader]

28 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:

 

I just don’t think it’s Terry’s unwillingness to spend.  
 

I continue to believe the hatred these guys have of taxes across all 4 major sports is grossly underestimated.   
 

KA wasn’t wrong.  You just can’t say it out loud.  
 

You need to prop up why you want to spend the next 7-8 years of your life in Buffalo.  
 

Starting with the fans.  There will be no better city in America to win a major championship right now than Buffalo.  Not one.  

Marchand flat out said it prior to free agency. If he’s offered the same thing from a high tax team and a low tax team, he’s taking the lower tax. It’s one of many factors, but it does matter. Now, in his case, he was fortunate that the winning and the tax lined up, but it’s not going to work that way for everyone. 
 

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/countdown-to-free-agent-frenzy-will-brad-marchand-stay-put-with-the-florida-panthers-1.2318905

[Second Line Center]

58 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I respectfully but strenuously disagree with you. The Sabres have become a ghetto franchise scorned by many players because of its own systematic malfeasance in operating a franchise. Players are competitive and want to win. It's not the total reason why they want to go to a particular franchise but it is a factor. I would also say that the majority of players in all sports have homes that are not in the city that they play in. You can't hide this franchise's record. It's known to all. 

 

Sure.  I didn’t say it’s THE reason.  Just a major one.  
 

They want to win, yes but I bet they all tell you deep down they know every year there are only a few teams that can win the Cup - money comes first with a shot at a Cup very close 2nd.  
 

You're right tho they definitely do not want to go to a dysfunctional franchise.  It could be located in a tax free oasis if they are terrible they’ll look to go somewhere else.  
 

They also get taxed in the state they play in.  They may be able to like elsewhere where but it doesn’t matter.  Plus, they do have to live in the city area they play for at minimum 6 months a year.  
 

And that’s their home all year if they have families.  
 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Second Line Center

[tom webster]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

I hope that is the case. Very often the issue isn't necessarily how much you spend as it is how you spend it. 

Well obviously but that’s two different arguments.

[tom webster]

3 hours ago, dudacek said:

For me, it’s all about the spend after Byram.

Realistically, they are going to have enough money to acquire a player after he’s signed, and probably enough to acquire a good player. It’s going to be closer to $5 or $6M than $2 or $3M.

I’m skeptical they are going to use that money. I think they will say the market dried up or the prices were too high, when the fact of the matter is they let the market dry up and they decided the prices were too high.

Once again, unrealized opportunity.

I hope I’m wrong.

I think between Byram and Timmins you are looking at a minimum of $10M. If they trade Byram I think the salary returned will be close to what he would get awarded but time will tell.

[dudacek]

31 minutes ago, tom webster said:

I think between Byram and Timmins you are looking at a minimum of $10M. If they trade Byram I think the salary returned will be close to what he would get awarded but time will tell.

Maybe you have a better handle on it than me, but I’m kinda looking at Byram 8 Timmins 2 as a worst-case scenario.

Once I read that injuries can be used as evidence in the hearing, that popped a pretty big hole in either arbitration case for me.

And we’re talking guys with career highs of 39 and 15 points.

Now that may change if either signs for term.

Do you see that as a possibility with Byram?

Edited 4 hours ago by dudacek

[Taro T]

37 minutes ago, tom webster said:

I think between Byram and Timmins you are looking at a minimum of $10M. If they trade Byram I think the salary returned will be close to what he would get awarded but time will tell.

See, that's the thing, IF Byram is traded (and persoanally expect that to be less likely by the day, but it is still realistically possible) really expect him to be traded for a package that returns about $6MM worth of salary.  Except for McLeod, they don't make trades where they get the best player.  (Want to say there was one other small one that the Sabres got the best player, but darned if it's coming to mind right now.)

So, $6MM, $1.5-2MM, & $1.5-2MM of which only $0.5-1MM counts against the cap initially though as injuries hit, they'll burn that back.  So, somewhere a bit above $3.5MM in space.  If Byram gets an $8MM award and they keep him, they're looking at ~$2MM in cap.  So, the pointless buying out of Skinner last year lets them appear to be spending to the cap on players this year.  (Technically they will be close, but they'd be well over $6MM below the cap without that hit.)

[dudacek]

3 hours ago, Taro T said:

See, that's the thing, IF Byram is traded (and persoanally expect that to be less likely by the day, but it is still realistically possible) really expect him to be traded for a package that returns about $6MM worth of salary.  Except for McLeod, they don't make trades where they get the best player.  (Want to say there was one other small one that the Sabres got the best player, but darned if it's coming to mind right now.)

So, $6MM, $1.5-2MM, & $1.5-2MM of which only $0.5-1MM counts against the cap initially though as injuries hit, they'll burn that back.  So, somewhere a bit above $3.5MM in space.  If Byram gets an $8MM award and they keep him, they're looking at ~$2MM in cap.  So, the pointless buying out of Skinner last year lets them appear to be spending to the cap on players this year.  (Technically they will be close, but they'd be well over $6MM below the cap without that hit.)

Greenway?