Sabres Trade JJ Peterka to Utah for Defenseman Michael Kesselring and Forward Josh Doan

[thewookie1]

3 minutes ago, dudacek said:

This move sure opens the door for those rumoured Rust or Rakell for Huselius or #9 short-term gain for long-term pain deals.

Should I be worried? Excited?

I hope not, especially not for Rust or moving Helenius 

[klos1963]

1 hour ago, 7+6=13 said:

Do you mean like Skinner, Mitts and Cozens?

They didn't really have great success in Buffalo,  so no,  that's not who i meant.

Care to take another guess? Clue- their names are on the cup.

[PotentPowerPlay21]

How would Sabres fans feel if the Sabres traded Mattias Samuelsson and Peyton Krebs to Utah for Logan Cooley or Dylan Guenther? If you said, "Heck ya!" then you know how Utah feels today. The Sabres invested $1.00 in Peterka and received about $0.72 in return.  Hopefully, it will work out in the long term, but I am a little underwhelmed. I have no problem trading Peterka, but I hoped for a more significant return.

[Second Line Center]

Has it been noted that Kesselring and Levi were teammates at Northeastern in 2020?

 

[dudacek]

Just now, thewookie1 said:

I hope not, especially not for Rust or moving Helenius 

Lot of people on here pointed out that if they were bringing in any “good” forwards, they had to create both cap space and roster space. 

The Peterka trade does exactly that. If we thought our GM had a clue, and our owner spent money, we’d probably be anticipating that’s exactly why we picked Doan and Kesselring over Kyrou.

Hope it’s better than the Penguin rumours, but I might prefer that to the money being left unspent.

At least Peterka and futures for Rust, Kesselring and Doan would constitute trying to be good this year.

[DarthEbriate]

9 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Forgive me for generalizing, but I think in general Sabrespace likes what Kesselring and Doan should bring but don’t like the hole the trade creates, or the idea the Sabres are going cheap again.

How are they going to backfill the hole? Their other holes? Will they use the cap space?

Going to be an interesting few days.

Quinn, Norris, and Kulich each need to be over 20 goals this season for it to not fall apart. Entirely possible, if they're all healthy. But this means that McLeod and Zucker would need to have follow-up above average seasons.

The real question is the cap space. The cap is going from 88 to 95. Will the Sabres remain $8M clear like they've been doing? Will they stay below that with a severe internal cap and try to make it by spending only $84 (move Byram and bridge the other RFAs)? Or will Adams put on his "we have all the resources we need" pants he's been claiming to own and pay up to 95, minus the Skinner hit?

[dudacek]

1 minute ago, Second Line Center said:

Has it been noted that Kesselring and Levi were teammates at Northeastern in 2020?

 

Doan and Tage played together at the Worlds and I’d be surprised if they haven’t skated together in Arizona.

[thewookie1]

Just now, dudacek said:

Lot of people on here pointed out that if they were bringing in any “good” forwards, they had to create both cap space and roster space. 

The Peterka trade does exactly that. If we thought our GM had a clue, and our owner spent money, we’d probably be anticipating that’s exactly why we picked Doan and Kesselring over Kyrou.

Hope it’s better than the Penguin rumours, but I might prefer that to the money being left unspent.

At least Peterka and futures for Rust, Kesselring and Doan would constitute trying to be good this year.

I like Rakell and might be willing offer 9 if we can also dump Lafferty

Not interested in Rust though

[darksabre]

21 minutes ago, dudacek said:

So it was Peterka that Seravalli was teasing with his Kyrou stuff yesterday.

Lance sliding out the “driving teammates and coaches crazy with high-risk plays and lack of defensive effort” is interesting. Tracks with what I saw from him, tracks with the culture change stuff. Also tracks with the idea Lance is a shill and this is a narrative to cloud a penny-pinching motivation.

The rest of it all ties with what I posted elsewhere about how the move fits into the big picture. Kyrou is an older, better slightly more expensive Peterka. Dobson an older, better, slightly more expensive right-handed Power.

Is this Kevyn once again trying to prove he’s smarter by not chasing the bigger names?

Forgive me for generalizing, but I think in general Sabrespace likes what Kesselring and Doan should bring but don’t like the hole the trade creates, or the idea the Sabres are going cheap again.

How are they going to backfill the hole? Their other holes? Will they use the cap space?

Going to be an interesting few days.

This is the thing. Intertextuality. This move will be evaluated based on what came before (nothing great) and what comes after. If the Sabres actually use the cost savings they've achieved, and the players they've added help round the roster out, then all of a sudden this specific trade looks great. 

But right now the cheese stands alone. 

[dudacek]

1 minute ago, thewookie1 said:

I like Rakell and might be willing offer 9 if we can also dump Lafferty

Not interested in Rust though

Age and contract are bad for Rust.

Play style and personality are the opposite.

[oddoublee]

3 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Quinn, Norris, and Kulich each need to be over 20 goals this season for it to not fall apart. Entirely possible, if they're all healthy. But this means that McLeod and Zucker would need to have follow-up above average seasons.

The real question is the cap space. The cap is going from 88 to 95. Will the Sabres remain $8M clear like they've been doing? Will they stay below that with a severe internal cap and try to make it by spending only $84 (move Byram and bridge the other RFAs)? Or will Adams put on his "we have all the resources we need" pants he's been claiming to own and pay up to 95, minus the Skinner hit?

This post is dead on. If the forward group remains the same....those three need to do EXACTLY that. It's a tall ask...possible...but it's a bet I'm not eager to take

[Brawndo]

1 minute ago, dudacek said:

Age and contract are bad for Rust.

Play style and personality are the opposite.

Rakell is a better all around player, but both would be welcomed 

[LTS]

12 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

I have a feeling we're going to really like Doan.

We liked Peterka... so it's really a question of whether the team will keep him around long enough to find out. 🙂

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Lambert at Elite Prospects have Buffalo a B- and Utah a C grade for this trade. 

Reasons being Peterka's underlying numbers are bad and his shooting might have been lucky. Also he notes that Doans underlying metrics were great and he has some untapped potential coming. 

I like Doan, he certainly comes from a solid family.

I was just checking in to see how hot and bothered people are getting over this. Is there an equivalent to the little blue pill for being a Sabres fan? I just can't get it up for this team.

 

[pi2000]

2 minutes ago, LTS said:

I was just checking in to see how hot and bothered people are getting over this. Is there an equivalent to the little blue pill for being a Sabres fan? I just can't get it up for this team.

 

[ASlugAbove]

Checking in. I hate this team. 

[jahnyc]

I don't think we received good overall value for Peterka, but I hope we now keep Byram (which we won't).  If we do, we will have a potentially solid to strong top 4 on defense.  That, at least, would be a start to some defensive improvement next season, although we still need a starting caliber goalie (one that is currently not on the roster).

[WatchedrookieGilP]

Haven’t read thru the whole thread, but I remembered when the Sabres posted a vid last summer of Lindy touring the Bills training camp with TP and KA, and him drooling/saying he wanted some very big humans like the Bills have.

He got (one) of his wishes.

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Kyrou-8.125 million

Dobson-projected 10.25 million 

Rossi-projected 7.6 million 

Doan and Kesselring-combined 2.3 million 

Makes sense 

Bump 

[shrader]

2 hours ago, ponokasabre said:

This is a bit stupid to be honest….clearly they don’t look at team needs at all! 
 

okay a team offered two first round picks, great, so we get pick 18 and 30 and 2 low level guys, doesn’t help us at all

kyrou is older Peterka

 

Dobson is older Byram that wants 10 million per year

 

those don’t make sense! And for those that say take the picks and use them for additional assets, there has been very few first rounders moved for talent in the last few years, it just doesn’t happen much, so there is zero guarantee you can do that 

take the forsure thing that helps you now and gives you flexibility in cap space that now you can aquire a top 6 winger via trade or free agency 

 

There's a few other issues with a reporter throwing garbage like that out there.  We have no indication of how serious these offers actually were and what other pieces were involved.

 

Edit: Well, that and the fact that it's so much easier for a GM to say "well I would have offered this" after the deal has already been made.

Edited 2 hours ago by shrader

[PerreaultForever]

Well all I know for sure is Utah fans are over the moon and excited about their top 6 now. I would be too, it's better than ours. 

Kesselring would have been a decent pick up if it was for picks and prospects but he will not fix this D. 

[Brawndo]

 

[That Aud Smell]

Just now, Brawndo said:

 

That typo made me laugh. #exiting

[Thorny]

He definitely has a type.

Edited 2 hours ago by Thorny

[JP51]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Kyrou-8.125 million

Dobson-projected 10.25 million 

Rossi-projected 7.6 million 

Doan and Kesselring-combined 2.3 million 

Makes sense 

I definitely think money may have come in to play here... 

[Brawndo]

Kesselring-scored his first NHL Goal on Levi and had his first Gordie Howe Hatrick (His Words Thorny not mine) at KBC.